Sansevieria List Species/Hybrids

[Bluesea]

Russ Hammer As oPeoples, here's my unofficial list of Sans species. It is not up to date, I have some to add and probably a few to delete, but at least I finally got it put into Word. Still working on Trifasciata list, and Unidentified Species list, will post when they're done.

Russ




Russ Hammer As of 6/06

PO Box 471213

Lake Monroe FL 32747

Cell 407-753-5763



SANSEVIERIA SPECIES



aethiopica

aethiopica HBG 60915

aethiopica Lav 12/90 +/- east of Patensie Cp (Arias, USF 10/03)

angustiflora

arborescens (see bagamoyensis)

bacularis = sulcata (Huntington BG 9/99)

bacularis = sulcata HBG 61170 (Huntington BG)

bacularis = sulcata (Hollygate Nursery, England) (Grigsby 36-78) (Huntington BG 9/99)

bagamoyensis = arborescens Copenhagen Botanic Garden, Denmark (Lone Kofod, Denmark)

bella

canaliculata Dwarf

c.f. caulescens Lav & Bleck 4/81 Bura, Kenya (Arias, USF 10/03)

coccina Ed Eby, Koko Crater

conspicua (Smoley, 1997)

cylindrica v. cylindrica

cylindrica v. patula 7/3/91 FW (AW)

dawei EnSp Uganda (AW) Alice says 'Grows 4 ft tall'

deserti HBG 61032 Robson (6/99)

deserti (my ID: D-1)

deserti hybrid F-1 (Geri Prall, Cape Coral FL, USF palm vendor)

Koko - EE's Koko (AW)

ehrenbergii (AW)

erythraea = schweinfurthii

fasciata JD.GJ

fasciata EnSp

fischeri (singularis) (Arias USF 9/01)

fischeri (singularis) HBG 46040

francissii (sp. FKH 424)

fruticosa (ID questionable) Linden 84-618C HBG 55141 (Huntington BG 9/99)

gracilis Pfennig's Form (Al Laius UK, 9/02)

aff. Gracilis

grandicuspis USDA 19726 (received as 'name questionable)

grandis Major Form (AW)

grandis v. rosea (AW) = subspicata

guineensis (metallica) EnSp

guineensis (metallica) 'Manolyn' (USF 2003)

guineensis (metallica) 'San Remo' (AW) received as 'Futura Aurea'

guineensis (metallica) 'Variegata' or 'White Striped Giant'

hallii

hallii (Huntington BG 9/99)

hallii (Huntington BG) Possibly 'Blue Bat'.

c.f. hallii D. McMurtry Zimbabwe N. of Lundi River, S. of Masvingo (Arias USF 10/03)

hyacinthoides JNT sp. JMC @ 325 8/29/86 M. Rossovich (Huntington BG 9/99)

intermedia

intermedia HBG 61071

javanica (USF, sold by C&SS for a woman collector in Wisconsin, summer 2000)



SANSEVIERIA SPECIES page 2 As of 6/06



javanica 'Striated' (Laius?? from Norma Lewis, N. Hollywood, CA)

kirkii v. kirkii

kirkii v. pulchra

kirkii v. pulchra x cylindrica v. cylindrica (AW)

kirkii v. pulchra 'Coppertone' (old note: USDA M19521 more intense color form, is this the same plant?)

liberica Koko (AW)

longiflora Open pollinated, seed ex Hawaii (Ed Eby?) (ID not positive, dropped label)

macrophylla GC 78-125 F/C Brian Mason Natal

masai

masoniana 'Mason Congo'

masoniana 'Mason Congo' GC 78-133

metallica Koko Ed Eby

nilotica v. obscura (received as 'obscura near Nilotica', AW) 9/28/82 BG.AB.ED ID by D.Grigsby

parva (AW)

parva 'Wide Leaf' ES 2711 Ernest Specks, Germany

parva 'Wide Leaf' (Faye Underwood, Norfolk VA 9/00) Label said 'parva with groove'.

parva 'Wide Leaf' (Herman Weitkamp, Tenerife, Spain 5/04)

patens

pearsonii UCD B73-064 Ronin 9259 Dramboland, S. Africa HBG 61036 (10/00, prob Huntington)

pinguicula

raffillii

robusta (Herman Weitkamp, Tenerife, Spain 5/04)

roxburghiana

roxburghiana 'Zebra Fountain' (Huntington BG)

roxburghiana (Dr. Ram Gandi, India)

raffillii (AW)

raffillii EnSp AB.ED (Huntington BG)

rhodesiana

senegalensis

senegambica

splendens Hoogvliet Holland

stuckyi mutant (Huntington BG)

stuckyi

subspicata

suffruticosa (Smoley, sold as powellii)

transvaalensis (invalid name)

varians

zeylanica (Tom Schultz, Minnesota)

zeylanica



SANSEVIERIA HYBRIDS



'Alva' Koko Crater, Hawaii (trifasciata x deserti) (AW)

'Fernwood' (grandicuspis x suffruticosa)

'Leopard Bat' (trifasciata x fischeri/singularis) (AW)

'Leopard Bat' (trifasciata x fischeri/singularis) (MS)

'Leopard Bat' (trifasciata x fischeri/singularis) (HBG 12101)

'Leopard Bat' (trifasciata x fischeri/singularis) (Tom Schultz)

'Old Man Silver' (trifasciata x deserti??)

'Screen Door' (trifasciata x deserti??)

'Stella'

'Stellette'

USDA 19522 trifasciata x deserti (AW)

USDA 19537 trifasciata x deserti (AW) (in ground, corner of shadehouse)

[Dale LaForest]

Thanks, Russ. I replaced the version you sent in 2003. Next time why not just attach the file. It would reduce the edit time. :-)
Anxiously awaiting the trifasciata group.
Learned that grandis rosea was actually grandis var rosea. :-) Strange that that never occurred to me before.
Dale


----- Original Message -----
From: Bluesea
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2006 10:12 PM
Subject: [Sansevierias] Sansevieria List Species/Hybrids



Peoples, here's my unofficial list of Sans species. It is not up to date, I have some to add and probably a few to delete, but at least I finally got it put into Word. Still working on Trifasciata list, and Unidentified Species list, will post when they're done.

Russ




Russ Hammer As of 6/06

PO Box 471213

Lake Monroe FL 32747

Cell 407-753-5763



SANSEVIERIA SPECIES



aethiopica

aethiopica HBG 60915

aethiopica Lav 12/90 +/- east of Patensie Cp (Arias, USF 10/03)

angustiflora

arborescens (see bagamoyensis)

bacularis = sulcata (Huntington BG 9/99)

bacularis = sulcata HBG 61170 (Huntington BG)

bacularis = sulcata (Hollygate Nursery, England) (Grigsby 36-78) (Huntington BG 9/99)

bagamoyensis = arborescens Copenhagen Botanic Garden, Denmark (Lone Kofod, Denmark)

bella

canaliculata Dwarf

c.f. caulescens Lav & Bleck 4/81 Bura, Kenya (Arias, USF 10/03)

coccina Ed Eby, Koko Crater

conspicua (Smoley, 1997)

cylindrica v. cylindrica

cylindrica v. patula 7/3/91 FW (AW)

dawei EnSp Uganda (AW) Alice says 'Grows 4 ft tall'

deserti HBG 61032 Robson (6/99)

deserti (my ID: D-1)

deserti hybrid F-1 (Geri Prall, Cape Coral FL, USF palm vendor)

Koko - EE's Koko (AW)

ehrenbergii (AW)

erythraea = schweinfurthii

fasciata JD.GJ

fasciata EnSp

fischeri (singularis) (Arias USF 9/01)

fischeri (singularis) HBG 46040

francissii (sp. FKH 424)

fruticosa (ID questionable) Linden 84-618C HBG 55141 (Huntington BG 9/99)

gracilis Pfennig's Form (Al Laius UK, 9/02)

aff. Gracilis

grandicuspis USDA 19726 (received as 'name questionable)

grandis Major Form (AW)

grandis v. rosea (AW) = subspicata

guineensis (metallica) EnSp

guineensis (metallica) 'Manolyn' (USF 2003)

guineensis (metallica) 'San Remo' (AW) received as 'Futura Aurea'

guineensis (metallica) 'Variegata' or 'White Striped Giant'

hallii

hallii (Huntington BG 9/99)

hallii (Huntington BG) Possibly 'Blue Bat'.

c.f. hallii D. McMurtry Zimbabwe N. of Lundi River, S. of Masvingo (Arias USF 10/03)

hyacinthoides JNT sp. JMC @ 325 8/29/86 M. Rossovich (Huntington BG 9/99)

intermedia

intermedia HBG 61071

javanica (USF, sold by C&SS for a woman collector in Wisconsin, summer 2000)



SANSEVIERIA SPECIES page 2 As of 6/06



javanica 'Striated' (Laius?? from Norma Lewis, N. Hollywood, CA)

kirkii v. kirkii

kirkii v. pulchra

kirkii v. pulchra x cylindrica v. cylindrica (AW)

kirkii v. pulchra 'Coppertone' (old note: USDA M19521 more intense color form, is this the same plant?)

liberica Koko (AW)

longiflora Open pollinated, seed ex Hawaii (Ed Eby?) (ID not positive, dropped label)

macrophylla GC 78-125 F/C Brian Mason Natal

masai

masoniana 'Mason Congo'

masoniana 'Mason Congo' GC 78-133

metallica Koko Ed Eby

nilotica v. obscura (received as 'obscura near Nilotica', AW) 9/28/82 BG.AB.ED ID by D.Grigsby

parva (AW)

parva 'Wide Leaf' ES 2711 Ernest Specks, Germany

parva 'Wide Leaf' (Faye Underwood, Norfolk VA 9/00) Label said 'parva with groove'.

parva 'Wide Leaf' (Herman Weitkamp, Tenerife, Spain 5/04)

patens

pearsonii UCD B73-064 Ronin 9259 Dramboland, S. Africa HBG 61036 (10/00, prob Huntington)

pinguicula

raffillii

robusta (Herman Weitkamp, Tenerife, Spain 5/04)

roxburghiana

roxburghiana 'Zebra Fountain' (Huntington BG)

roxburghiana (Dr. Ram Gandi, India)

raffillii (AW)

raffillii EnSp AB.ED (Huntington BG)

rhodesiana

senegalensis

senegambica

splendens Hoogvliet Holland

stuckyi mutant (Huntington BG)

stuckyi

subspicata

suffruticosa (Smoley, sold as powellii)

transvaalensis (invalid name)

varians

zeylanica (Tom Schultz, Minnesota)

zeylanica



SANSEVIERIA HYBRIDS



'Alva' Koko Crater, Hawaii (trifasciata x deserti) (AW)

'Fernwood' (grandicuspis x suffruticosa)

'Leopard Bat' (trifasciata x fischeri/singularis) (AW)

'Leopard Bat' (trifasciata x fischeri/singularis) (MS)

'Leopard Bat' (trifasciata x fischeri/singularis) (HBG 12101)

'Leopard Bat' (trifasciata x fischeri/singularis) (Tom Schultz)

'Old Man Silver' (trifasciata x deserti??)

'Screen Door' (trifasciata x deserti??)

'Stella'

'Stellette'

USDA 19522 trifasciata x deserti (AW)

USDA 19537 trifasciata x deserti (AW) (in ground, corner of shadehouse)

[Big Herm]

Post by Dale LaForest
Thanks, Russ. I replaced the version you sent in 2003. Next time why
not just attach the file. It would reduce the edit time. :-)
Anxiously awaiting the trifasciata group.
Learned that grandis rosea was actually grandis var rosea. :-)
Strange that that never occurred to me before.
Dale

i am not persuaded grandis vr rosea is really a valid name yet. some
of my early names i no longer believe in, as they appear on Russ's
list, but for archival reasons, to trace the history of the name, i
agree they belong somewhere in the provenance of the plant, it was
always my plan to keep updating, WHICH I DO.

hermine

[Dale LaForest]

I probably should have said that I think both grandis rosea and grandis var rosea are invalid and to be superceded by subspicata. But then again, I certainly no expert - just throwing my two-cents in the ring.
Dale

----- Original Message -----
From: Big Herm
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2006 1:34 PM
Subject: Re: [Sansevierias] Sansevieria List Species/Hybrids


At 09:20 AM 7/9/2006, you wrote:


Thanks, Russ. I replaced the version you sent in 2003. Next time why not just attach the file. It would reduce the edit time. :-)
Anxiously awaiting the trifasciata group.
Learned that grandis rosea was actually grandis var rosea. :-) Strange that that never occurred to me before.
Dale


i am not persuaded grandis vr rosea is really a valid name yet. some of my early names i no longer believe in, as they appear on Russ's list, but for archival reasons, to trace the history of the name, i agree they belong somewhere in the provenance of the plant, it was always my plan to keep updating, WHICH I DO.

hermine

[Norma L]

Dale you are probably right, but so far I can't find it in writing. John may have made the correction on my pictures. I'll check back with you when I find it. I want to also toss in two cents. Who gets to keep all the money. When are you bringing your friend here. I did look under Grandis, and didn't find a thing yet. My plants do not match the picture of subspicata either. Where else can I look? Norma
----- Original Message -----
From: Dale LaForest
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2006 4:35 PM
Subject: Re: [Sansevierias] Sansevieria List Species/Hybrids



I probably should have said that I think both grandis rosea and grandis var rosea are invalid and to be superceded by subspicata. But then again, I certainly no expert - just throwing my two-cents in the ring.
Dale

----- Original Message -----
From: Big Herm
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2006 1:34 PM
Subject: Re: [Sansevierias] Sansevieria List Species/Hybrids


At 09:20 AM 7/9/2006, you wrote:


Thanks, Russ. I replaced the version you sent in 2003. Next time why not just attach the file. It would reduce the edit time. :-)
Anxiously awaiting the trifasciata group.
Learned that grandis rosea was actually grandis var rosea. :-) Strange that that never occurred to me before.
Dale


i am not persuaded grandis vr rosea is really a valid name yet. some of my early names i no longer believe in, as they appear on Russ's list, but for archival reasons, to trace the history of the name, i agree they belong somewhere in the provenance of the plant, it was always my plan to keep updating, WHICH I DO.

hermine

[Norma L]

I found it, John made the correction on the pictures. So it's a go. Thanks, this was a Werner Rauh plant, received from Fresno Botanical Gardens. So I naturally thought it was correct. My two cents is in. Norma
----- Original Message -----
From: Norma L
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2006 7:16 PM
Subject: Re: [Sansevierias] Sansevieria List Species/Hybrids



Dale you are probably right, but so far I can't find it in writing. John may have made the correction on my pictures. I'll check back with you when I find it. I want to also toss in two cents. Who gets to keep all the money. When are you bringing your friend here. I did look under Grandis, and didn't find a thing yet. My plants do not match the picture of subspicata either. Where else can I look? Norma
----- Original Message -----
From: Dale LaForest
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2006 4:35 PM
Subject: Re: [Sansevierias] Sansevieria List Species/Hybrids



I probably should have said that I think both grandis rosea and grandis var rosea are invalid and to be superceded by subspicata. But then again, I certainly no expert - just throwing my two-cents in the ring.
Dale

----- Original Message -----
From: Big Herm
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2006 1:34 PM
Subject: Re: [Sansevierias] Sansevieria List Species/Hybrids


At 09:20 AM 7/9/2006, you wrote:


Thanks, Russ. I replaced the version you sent in 2003. Next time why not just attach the file. It would reduce the edit time. :-)
Anxiously awaiting the trifasciata group.
Learned that grandis rosea was actually grandis var rosea. :-) Strange that that never occurred to me before.
Dale


i am not persuaded grandis vr rosea is really a valid name yet. some of my early names i no longer believe in, as they appear on Russ's list, but for archival reasons, to trace the history of the name, i agree they belong somewhere in the provenance of the plant, it was always my plan to keep updating, WHICH I DO.

hermine

[Dale LaForest]

Fantastic, Norma . . progress.
Dale
----- Original Message -----
From: Norma L
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2006 9:18 PM
Subject: Re: [Sansevierias] Sansevieria List Species/Hybrids



I found it, John made the correction on the pictures. So it's a go. Thanks, this was a Werner Rauh plant, received from Fresno Botanical Gardens. So I naturally thought it was correct. My two cents is in. Norma
----- Original Message -----
From: Norma L
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2006 7:16 PM
Subject: Re: [Sansevierias] Sansevieria List Species/Hybrids



Dale you are probably right, but so far I can't find it in writing. John may have made the correction on my pictures. I'll check back with you when I find it. I want to also toss in two cents. Who gets to keep all the money. When are you bringing your friend here. I did look under Grandis, and didn't find a thing yet. My plants do not match the picture of subspicata either. Where else can I look? Norma
----- Original Message -----
From: Dale LaForest
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2006 4:35 PM
Subject: Re: [Sansevierias] Sansevieria List Species/Hybrids



I probably should have said that I think both grandis rosea and grandis var rosea are invalid and to be superceded by subspicata. But then again, I certainly no expert - just throwing my two-cents in the ring.
Dale

----- Original Message -----
From: Big Herm
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2006 1:34 PM
Subject: Re: [Sansevierias] Sansevieria List Species/Hybrids


At 09:20 AM 7/9/2006, you wrote:


Thanks, Russ. I replaced the version you sent in 2003. Next time why not just attach the file. It would reduce the edit time. :-)
Anxiously awaiting the trifasciata group.
Learned that grandis rosea was actually grandis var rosea. :-) Strange that that never occurred to me before.
Dale


i am not persuaded grandis vr rosea is really a valid name yet. some of my early names i no longer believe in, as they appear on Russ's list, but for archival reasons, to trace the history of the name, i agree they belong somewhere in the provenance of the plant, it was always my plan to keep updating, WHICH I DO.

hermine

[Bluesea]

Regarding grandis v. rosea on my list, please note that it's written: 'grandis v. rosea = subspicata'. The former is invalid, but I kept the name as I received it from Alice W. The plant is subspicata, which I suspected when I
got it from Alice.

Russ

[Big Herm]

Post by Bluesea
Regarding grandis v. rosea on my list, please note that it's
written: 'grandis v. rosea = subspicata'. The former is invalid,
but I kept the name as I received it from Alice W. The plant is
subspicata, which I suspected when I
got it from Alice.
Russ

I might be wrong about this, but somebody told me ruth crane invented
this name. it was so tiny for a long time and then I confess I lost
track of it since it stopped being tiny and began to look like
something I got from the Wellesly greenhouse.

hermine

[michael brodt]

Hermine,

Tell me about Ruth Crane, who is/was she? There is a trifasciata called Crane's Special Black, that I am eager to get my grubby little hands on. Alas, as of yet, I have only found one source of the plant.

-Michael Brodt

Big Herm <***@endangeredspecies.com> wrote: At 09:49 PM 7/9/2006, you wrote:

Regarding grandis v. rosea on my list, please note that it's written: 'grandis v. rosea = subspicata'. The former is invalid, but I kept the name as I received it from Alice W. The plant is subspicata, which I suspected when I
got it from Alice.

Russ

I might be wrong about this, but somebody told me ruth crane invented this name. it was so tiny for a long time and then I confess I lost track of it since it stopped being tiny and began to look like something I got from the Wellesly greenhouse.

hermine





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[Big Herm]

Post by michael brodt
Hermine,
Tell me about Ruth Crane, who is/was she? There is a trifasciata
called Crane's Special Black, that I am eager to get my grubby
little hands on. Alas, as of yet, I have only found one source of the plant.
-Michael Brodt

Ruth Crane was very good at hanging names on plants. She seems to
have vanished. at one point, Lilian True, the person, asked me, if
this is so, have not the authorities been informed? I found that
commerce with her was something of a one way street, heading opposite
my direction. She always waffled about the source and the names of
her plants. and, she owes me bigtime to this day but i am not
waiting. I am also very dubious about her name on plants because they
always indicate she originated them but, in my experience, NOT SO. it
was Ruth Crane who called 'Lilian True' , 'SLIPPED STRIPES'. well,
you can see why i have some vested interest in this particular event.

hermine



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[michael brodt]

Thanks Herm,

This plant is the one listed in Juan's first book which he calls Black Sword. It is supposed to be as thick leaved plant but generally more dark green and shorter. Juan told me the plant also goes by the name previously mentioned.

-Michael Brodt

Post by michael brodt
Hermine,
Tell me about Ruth Crane, who is/was she? There is a trifasciata
called Crane's Special Black, that I am eager to get my grubby
little hands on. Alas, as of yet, I have only found one source of the plant.
-Michael Brodt

Ruth Crane was very good at hanging names on plants. She seems to
have vanished. at one point, Lilian True, the person, asked me, if
this is so, have not the authorities been informed? I found that
commerce with her was something of a one way street, heading opposite
my direction. She always waffled about the source and the names of
her plants. and, she owes me bigtime to this day but i am not
waiting. I am also very dubious about her name on plants because they
always indicate she originated them but, in my experience, NOT SO. it
was Ruth Crane who called 'Lilian True' , 'SLIPPED STRIPES'. well,
you can see why i have some vested interest in this particular event.

hermine






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[Thomas Schultz]

Hello:
I looked through Bob Smoley's Catalog this morning and I think that the plant that I have is what Bob labels Sansevieria rafillii 'Glauca'. Does anyone else have this plant?
Greetings,
Tom Schultz


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[Hermine Stover]

Post by Thomas Schultz
I looked through Bob Smoley's Catalog this morning and I think that
the plant that I have is what Bob labels Sansevieria rafillii
'Glauca'. Does anyone else have this plant?
Greetings,
Tom Schultz

I do. It was from plants collected by pfennig.

herm

[Norma L]

I don't know until I see it. I am supposed to have it, I am not getting your pictures, I seem to get them to come up. Where did you hide them. Norma
----- Original Message -----
From: Thomas Schultz
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, August 18, 2006 6:49 AM
Subject: [Sansevierias] Re: [Sansevieria raffillii 'Glauca'




Hello:
I looked through Bob Smoley's Catalog this morning and I think that the plant that I have is what Bob labels Sansevieria rafillii 'Glauca'. Does anyone else have this plant?
Greetings,
Tom Schultz


.

[Norma L]

That is correct. I got one from her and several other people she sent them to with that name as well. Norma
----- Original Message -----
From: Bluesea
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2006 9:49 PM
Subject: Re: [Sansevierias] Sansevieria List Species/Hybrids



Regarding grandis v. rosea on my list, please note that it's written: 'grandis v. rosea = subspicata'. The former is invalid, but I kept the name as I received it from Alice W. The plant is subspicata, which I suspected when I
got it from Alice.

Russ

[Thomas Schultz]

----- Original Message -----
From: Bluesea<mailto:***@cfl.rr.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com<mailto:***@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2006 12:12 AM
Subject: [Sansevierias] Sansevieria List Species/Hybrids



Hi Russ:
My leopard bat came from Bob Smoley.
Thanks,
Tom Schultz





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[Thomas Schultz]

Hi Russ:
That is to say, my leopard bat came from Bob Smoley.
Thanks,
Tom Schultz


----- Original Message -----
From: Thomas Schultz<mailto:***@msn.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com<mailto:***@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 8:32 AM
Subject: Re: [Sansevierias] Sansevieria List Species/Hybrids




----- Original Message -----
From: Bluesea<mailto:***@cfl.rr.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com<mailto:***@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2006 12:12 AM
Subject: [Sansevierias] Sansevieria List Species/Hybrids


.

[Bluesea]

Hey thanks Tom, I'll include that 'Smoley' info on my label of your Sans. I believe I have it labelled simply as trif X singlularis/fischeri, for some reason. I was not sure this is the infamous 'Leopard Bat', altho it certainly looks like it from pictures.

Russ

[Michael LaForest]

Did you know that Mr. Smoley got many of his plants from Juan
Chahinian years ago? Juan is truly the Johnny Appleseed of
Sansevierias! The only troubling thing about this is that Bob's
reputation for correct names is a little bit in question depending on
who you talk to.
Mike

Post by Bluesea
Hey thanks Tom, I'll include that 'Smoley' info on my label of your
Sans. I believe I have it labelled simply as trif X singlularis/
fischeri, for some reason. I was not sure this is the infamous
'Leopard Bat', altho it certainly looks like it from pictures.
Russ

[Norma L]

Mike, yes I knew that, and yes Smoley does get confused with the names, but then again he may have the label that Juan gave him, or from others that were spelled wrong or just plain ridicules They can get confused easily if you listen to everyone. Juan gave me 60 plants before he moved, I am very blessed that he did so. I also got many from the Huntington Gardens and many of them was mislabeled when received. We all do the best we can. Norma
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael LaForest
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 1:06 PM
Subject: Re: [Sansevierias] Sansevieria List Species/Hybrids


Did you know that Mr. Smoley got many of his plants from Juan Chahinian years ago? Juan is truly the Johnny Appleseed of Sansevierias! The only troubling thing about this is that Bob's reputation for correct names is a little bit in question depending on who you talk to.

Mike




On Aug 9, 2006, at 12:40 PM, Bluesea wrote:




Hey thanks Tom, I'll include that 'Smoley' info on my label of your Sans. I believe I have it labelled simply as trif X singlularis/fischeri, for some reason. I was not sure this is the infamous 'Leopard Bat', altho it certainly looks like it from pictures.

Russ

[Michael LaForest]

You speak the truth, kemo sabe......"we all do the best we can" with
what we got.
Mike

Post by Norma L
Mike, yes I knew that, and yes Smoley does get confused with the
names, but then again he may have the label that Juan gave him, or
from others that were spelled wrong or just plain ridicules They
can get confused easily if you listen to everyone. Juan gave me 60
plants before he moved, I am very blessed that he did so. I also
got many from the Huntington Gardens and many of them was
mislabeled when received. We all do the best we can. Norma
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael LaForest
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 1:06 PM
Subject: Re: [Sansevierias] Sansevieria List Species/Hybrids
Did you know that Mr. Smoley got many of his plants from Juan
Chahinian years ago? Juan is truly the Johnny Appleseed of
Sansevierias! The only troubling thing about this is that Bob's
reputation for correct names is a little bit in question depending
on who you talk to.
Mike

[Norma L]

Mike, thank you, a lesson from Hermine's book. Pronounce it this way. Say
SAN SEE EE "AIR' EE A I can't put a straight line over the AIR. I have trouble with this pronunciation.
I am giving a program and referring this forum to my group, I don't how many will check us out so be on our best behavior. I have read Juan, Hermine, and the Journals over three times this month. I just want to do a good job. I just love her book, no wasted pages, down to earth, and good species names that haven't changed at that time. No made up names, and very ethical. My group will get my program outline, so must be very careful not to lead them into 'Fairy Land' or 'Make Believe' any advise please make suggestions now so I have time to change my program. I will not be showing slides but bringing plants. Our bulletin will be going out next week, and the program will be Sept. 7

Thanks, Norma
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael LaForest
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 6:30 PM
Subject: Re: [Sansevierias] Sansevieria List Species/Hybrids


You speak the truth, kemo sabe......"we all do the best we can" with what we got.

Mike






On Aug 22, 2006, at 7:09 PM, Norma L wrote:




Mike, yes I knew that, and yes Smoley does get confused with the names, but then again he may have the label that Juan gave him, or from others that were spelled wrong or just plain ridicules They can get confused easily if you listen to everyone. Juan gave me 60 plants before he moved, I am very blessed that he did so. I also got many from the Huntington Gardens and many of them was mislabeled when received. We all do the best we can. Norma
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael LaForest
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 1:06 PM
Subject: Re: [Sansevierias] Sansevieria List Species/Hybrids


Did you know that Mr. Smoley got many of his plants from Juan Chahinian years ago? Juan is truly the Johnny Appleseed of Sansevierias! The only troubling thing about this is that Bob's reputation for correct names is a little bit in question depending on who you talk to.

Mike

[Michael LaForest]

Norma,
Here's an idea....bring some plants with smooth leaves and some with
rough leaves to show how this feature varies in Sansevierias. Also,
make some notes about variegation in sans and explain a little about
why some variegated plants throw normal pups. There is lots that can
be talked about. You da woman!
Mike

Post by Norma L
Mike, thank you, a lesson from Hermine's book. Pronounce it this way. Say
SAN SEE EE "AIR' EE A I can't put a straight line over the
AIR. I have trouble with this pronunciation.
I am giving a program and referring this forum to my group, I don't
how many will check us out so be on our best behavior. I have
read Juan, Hermine, and the Journals over three times this month.
I just want to do a good job. I just love her book, no wasted
pages, down to earth, and good species names that haven't changed
at that time. No made up names, and very ethical. My group will
get my program outline, so must be very careful not to lead them
into 'Fairy Land' or 'Make Believe' any advise please make
suggestions now so I have time to change my program. I will not be
showing slides but bringing plants. Our bulletin will be going
out next week, and the program will be Sept. 7
Thanks, Norma
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael LaForest
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 6:30 PM
Subject: Re: [Sansevierias] Sansevieria List Species/Hybrids
You speak the truth, kemo sabe......"we all do the best we can" with what we got.
Mike

Post by Norma L
Mike, yes I knew that, and yes Smoley does get confused with the
names, but then again he may have the label that Juan gave him, or
from others that were spelled wrong or just plain ridicules They
can get confused easily if you listen to everyone. Juan gave me
60 plants before he moved, I am very blessed that he did so. I
also got many from the Huntington Gardens and many of them was
mislabeled when received. We all do the best we can. Norma
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael LaForest
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 1:06 PM
Subject: Re: [Sansevierias] Sansevieria List Species/Hybrids
Did you know that Mr. Smoley got many of his plants from Juan
Chahinian years ago? Juan is truly the Johnny Appleseed of
Sansevierias! The only troubling thing about this is that Bob's
reputation for correct names is a little bit in question depending
on who you talk to.
Mike

[michael brodt]

Norma,

You could also bring a juvenile plant that looks much different than an adult to show them the differences in appearance with age. For example, a Sans fisheri would be perfect.

-Michael Brodt

Michael LaForest <***@comcast.net> wrote: Norma,
Here's an idea....bring some plants with smooth leaves and some with rough leaves to show how this feature varies in Sansevierias. Also, make some notes about variegation in sans and explain a little about why some variegated plants throw normal pups. There is lots that can be talked about. You da woman!
Mike



On Aug 22, 2006, at 10:05 PM, Norma L wrote:



Mike, thank you, a lesson from Hermine's book. Pronounce it this way. Say
SAN SEE EE "AIR' EE A I can't put a straight line over the AIR. I have trouble with this pronunciation.
I am giving a program and referring this forum to my group, I don't how many will check us out so be on our best behavior. I have read Juan, Hermine, and the Journals over three times this month. I just want to do a good job. I just love her book, no wasted pages, down to earth, and good species names that haven't changed at that time. No made up names, and very ethical. My group will get my program outline, so must be very careful not to lead them into 'Fairy Land' or 'Make Believe' any advise please make suggestions now so I have time to change my program. I will not be showing slides but bringing plants. Our bulletin will be going out next week, and the program will be Sept. 7

Thanks, Norma
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael LaForest
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 6:30 PM
Subject: Re: [Sansevierias] Sansevieria List Species/Hybrids


You speak the truth, kemo sabe......"we all do the best we can" with what we got.
Mike




On Aug 22, 2006, at 7:09 PM, Norma L wrote:



Mike, yes I knew that, and yes Smoley does get confused with the names, but then again he may have the label that Juan gave him, or from others that were spelled wrong or just plain ridicules They can get confused easily if you listen to everyone. Juan gave me 60 plants before he moved, I am very blessed that he did so. I also got many from the Huntington Gardens and many of them was mislabeled when received. We all do the best we can. Norma
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael LaForest
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 1:06 PM
Subject: Re: [Sansevierias] Sansevieria List Species/Hybrids


Did you know that Mr. Smoley got many of his plants from Juan Chahinian years ago? Juan is truly the Johnny Appleseed of Sansevierias! The only troubling thing about this is that Bob's reputation for correct names is a little bit in question depending on who you talk to.
Mike


























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[Norma L]

Okay, it looks like I covered all my bases, thanks all for helping me with the suggestions. Norma
----- Original Message -----
From: michael brodt
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2006 2:34 PM
Subject: Re: [Sansevierias] Norma's talk


Norma,

You could also bring a juvenile plant that looks much different than an adult to show them the differences in appearance with age. For example, a Sans fisheri would be perfect.

-Michael Brodt

Michael LaForest <***@comcast.net> wrote:

Norma,
Here's an idea....bring some plants with smooth leaves and some with rough leaves to show how this feature varies in Sansevierias. Also, make some notes about variegation in sans and explain a little about why some variegated plants throw normal pups. There is lots that can be talked about. You da woman!
Mike




On Aug 22, 2006, at 10:05 PM, Norma L wrote:




Mike, thank you, a lesson from Hermine's book. Pronounce it this way. Say
SAN SEE EE "AIR' EE A I can't put a straight line over the AIR. I have trouble with this pronunciation.
I am giving a program and referring this forum to my group, I don't how many will check us out so be on our best behavior. I have read Juan, Hermine, and the Journals over three times this month. I just want to do a good job. I just love her book, no wasted pages, down to earth, and good species names that haven't changed at that time. No made up names, and very ethical. My group will get my program outline, so must be very careful not to lead them into 'Fairy Land' or 'Make Believe' any advise please make suggestions now so I have time to change my program. I will not be showing slides but bringing plants. Our bulletin will be going out next week, and the program will be Sept. 7

Thanks, Norma
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael LaForest
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 6:30 PM
Subject: Re: [Sansevierias] Sansevieria List Species/Hybrids


You speak the truth, kemo sabe......"we all do the best we can" with what we got.
Mike






On Aug 22, 2006, at 7:09 PM, Norma L wrote:




Mike, yes I knew that, and yes Smoley does get confused with the names, but then again he may have the label that Juan gave him, or from others that were spelled wrong or just plain ridicules They can get confused easily if you listen to everyone. Juan gave me 60 plants before he moved, I am very blessed that he did so. I also got many from the Huntington Gardens and many of them was mislabeled when received. We all do the best we can. Norma
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael LaForest
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 1:06 PM
Subject: Re: [Sansevierias] Sansevieria List Species/Hybrids


Did you know that Mr. Smoley got many of his plants from Juan Chahinian years ago? Juan is truly the Johnny Appleseed of Sansevierias! The only troubling thing about this is that Bob's reputation for correct names is a little bit in question depending on who you talk to.
Mike

[Hermine]

Post by Norma L
Mike, thank you, a lesson from Hermine's book. Pronounce it this way. Say
SAN SEE EE "AIR' EE A I can't put a straight line over the
AIR. I have trouble with this pronunciation.
I am giving a program and referring this forum to my group, I don't
how many will check us out so be on our best behavior. I have
read Juan, Hermine, and the Journals over three times this
month. I just want to do a good job. I just love her book, no
wasted pages, down to earth, and good species names that haven't
changed at that time. No made up names, and very ethical. My
group will get my program outline, so must be very careful not to
lead them into 'Fairy Land' or 'Make Believe' any advise please
make suggestions now so I have time to change my program. I will
not be showing slides but bringing plants. Our bulletin will be
going out next week, and the program will be Sept. 7
Thanks, Norma

I think by september 7th you can have your acadamy award acceptance
speech in order Norma. Nobody will Ever say Sans sev ee air ee a,
they will never say var ee eh gat ed, the will not say air MEEN eh,
which is really how hermine is pronounced. But it is nice to tell
them once or twice how fancy our language really can be, is all. that
we do have dipthongs after all.

hermine

[Dale LaForest]

You go girl . . .
Be prepared to do a little song and dance to wake them up when your through. :-) You also might try throwing rocks at those who nod off.
Dale

----- Original Message -----
From: Norma L
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 7:05 PM
Subject: Re: [Sansevierias] Sansevieria List Species/Hybrids



Mike, thank you, a lesson from Hermine's book. Pronounce it this way. Say
SAN SEE EE "AIR' EE A I can't put a straight line over the AIR. I have trouble with this pronunciation.
I am giving a program and referring this forum to my group, I don't how many will check us out so be on our best behavior. I have read Juan, Hermine, and the Journals over three times this month. I just want to do a good job. I just love her book, no wasted pages, down to earth, and good species names that haven't changed at that time. No made up names, and very ethical. My group will get my program outline, so must be very careful not to lead them into 'Fairy Land' or 'Make Believe' any advise please make suggestions now so I have time to change my program. I will not be showing slides but bringing plants. Our bulletin will be going out next week, and the program will be Sept. 7

Thanks, Norma
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael LaForest
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 6:30 PM
Subject: Re: [Sansevierias] Sansevieria List Species/Hybrids


You speak the truth, kemo sabe......"we all do the best we can" with what we got.

Mike






On Aug 22, 2006, at 7:09 PM, Norma L wrote:




Mike, yes I knew that, and yes Smoley does get confused with the names, but then again he may have the label that Juan gave him, or from others that were spelled wrong or just plain ridicules They can get confused easily if you listen to everyone. Juan gave me 60 plants before he moved, I am very blessed that he did so. I also got many from the Huntington Gardens and many of them was mislabeled when received. We all do the best we can. Norma
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael LaForest
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 1:06 PM
Subject: Re: [Sansevierias] Sansevieria List Species/Hybrids


Did you know that Mr. Smoley got many of his plants from Juan Chahinian years ago? Juan is truly the Johnny Appleseed of Sansevierias! The only troubling thing about this is that Bob's reputation for correct names is a little bit in question depending on who you talk to.

Mike

[Norma L]

To wake them up I talk about the sex life of the plants. The heads come up immediately. I wicked LoL

Norma
----- Original Message -----
From: Dale LaForest
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2006 4:32 PM
Subject: Re: [Sansevierias] Sansevieria List Species/Hybrids



You go girl . . .
Be prepared to do a little song and dance to wake them up when your through. :-) You also might try throwing rocks at those who nod off.
Dale

----- Original Message -----
From: Norma L
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 7:05 PM
Subject: Re: [Sansevierias] Sansevieria List Species/Hybrids



Mike, thank you, a lesson from Hermine's book. Pronounce it this way. Say
SAN SEE EE "AIR' EE A I can't put a straight line over the AIR. I have trouble with this pronunciation.
I am giving a program and referring this forum to my group, I don't how many will check us out so be on our best behavior. I have read Juan, Hermine, and the Journals over three times this month. I just want to do a good job. I just love her book, no wasted pages, down to earth, and good species names that haven't changed at that time. No made up names, and very ethical. My group will get my program outline, so must be very careful not to lead them into 'Fairy Land' or 'Make Believe' any advise please make suggestions now so I have time to change my program. I will not be showing slides but bringing plants. Our bulletin will be going out next week, and the program will be Sept. 7

Thanks, Norma
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael LaForest
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 6:30 PM
Subject: Re: [Sansevierias] Sansevieria List Species/Hybrids


You speak the truth, kemo sabe......"we all do the best we can" with what we got.

Mike






On Aug 22, 2006, at 7:09 PM, Norma L wrote:




Mike, yes I knew that, and yes Smoley does get confused with the names, but then again he may have the label that Juan gave him, or from others that were spelled wrong or just plain ridicules They can get confused easily if you listen to everyone. Juan gave me 60 plants before he moved, I am very blessed that he did so. I also got many from the Huntington Gardens and many of them was mislabeled when received. We all do the best we can. Norma
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael LaForest
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 1:06 PM
Subject: Re: [Sansevierias] Sansevieria List Species/Hybrids


Did you know that Mr. Smoley got many of his plants from Juan Chahinian years ago? Juan is truly the Johnny Appleseed of Sansevierias! The only troubling thing about this is that Bob's reputation for correct names is a little bit in question depending on who you talk to.

Mike

[Dale LaForest]

Speaking of name changing. I added a new tag to my S. hargeisana which I now believe is actually S. bella 'Mutomo' as is the plant I posted as S. sp. 'Mutomo'. Of course I'll retain the history.
Dale

----- Original Message -----
From: Norma L
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 4:09 PM
Subject: Re: [Sansevierias] Sansevieria List Species/Hybrids



Mike, yes I knew that, and yes Smoley does get confused with the names, but then again he may have the label that Juan gave him, or from others that were spelled wrong or just plain ridicules They can get confused easily if you listen to everyone. Juan gave me 60 plants before he moved, I am very blessed that he did so. I also got many from the Huntington Gardens and many of them was mislabeled when received. We all do the best we can. Norma
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael LaForest
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 1:06 PM
Subject: Re: [Sansevierias] Sansevieria List Species/Hybrids


Did you know that Mr. Smoley got many of his plants from Juan Chahinian years ago? Juan is truly the Johnny Appleseed of Sansevierias! The only troubling thing about this is that Bob's reputation for correct names is a little bit in question depending on who you talk to.

Mike




On Aug 9, 2006, at 12:40 PM, Bluesea wrote:




Hey thanks Tom, I'll include that 'Smoley' info on my label of your Sans. I believe I have it labelled simply as trif X singlularis/fischeri, for some reason. I was not sure this is the infamous 'Leopard Bat', altho it certainly looks like it from pictures.

Russ

[Bluesea]

Dale, please clarify your post about the names bella and 'Mutomo'. You've written S. bella 'Mutomo' as if 'Mutomo' is a variety of the species S. bella. Or has the unidentified sp. 'Mutomo' now been identified as S. bella? If this is the case, I'll write it as S. bella (sp. 'Mutomo') unless someone else has another suggestion. This is interesting and I need to note this, but will wait til you clarify.

Where did you get your hargeisana from? Maybe others got theirs from the same source.

Russ




Speaking of name changing. I added a new tag to my S. hargeisana which I now believe is actually S. bella 'Mutomo' as is the plant I posted as S. sp. 'Mutomo'. Of course I'll retain the history.
Dale

----- Original Message -----
From: Norma L
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 4:09 PM
Subject: Re: [Sansevierias] Sansevieria List Species/Hybrids



Mike, yes I knew that, and yes Smoley does get confused with the names, but then again he may have the label that Juan gave him, or from others that were spelled wrong or just plain ridicules They can get confused easily if you listen to everyone. Juan gave me 60 plants before he moved, I am very blessed that he did so. I also got many from the Huntington Gardens and many of them was mislabeled when received. We all do the best we can. Norma
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael LaForest
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 1:06 PM
Subject: Re: [Sansevierias] Sansevieria List Species/Hybrids


Did you know that Mr. Smoley got many of his plants from Juan Chahinian years ago? Juan is truly the Johnny Appleseed of Sansevierias! The only troubling thing about this is that Bob's reputation for correct names is a little bit in question depending on who you talk to.

Mike




On Aug 9, 2006, at 12:40 PM, Bluesea wrote:




Hey thanks Tom, I'll include that 'Smoley' info on my label of your Sans. I believe I have it labelled simply as trif X singlularis/fischeri, for some reason. I was not sure this is the infamous 'Leopard Bat', altho it certainly looks like it from pictures.

Russ

[michael brodt]

Dale (and anyone else),

I recently discovered a problem with my potting mix (1 part each promix, gravel, perlite, and turface). The problem is, the mix is staying too wet. The plants have been outside this summer (not under shelter), and we have had alot of heavy downpours. I noticed a few plants not looking so good, and unpotted them only to find a good chunk of their roots had rotted away sometime between spring and now. Hence, I am mixing more crushed marble and perlite into the mix. My advice with Turface is to use it at a minimum.

A few sansevieria were doing very very well in this mix, but a few others (pinguicula, suffruticosa) were really bad. 80% of my Gasteria had rotted roots as well.

Besides repotting all the plants and bringing them indoors now, next year my plants will have a roof over their heads.

Included is a picture of the potting mixes just for those interested. (The crushed marble is white, and the Turface is the red stuff.)

Living and learning,

-Michael Brodt


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[Michael LaForest]

When you receive 47+ inches of rain per year like we do here in the
east, some of it is going to come in huge downpours - some of which
can last for hours and linger around in showers for a few days. This
is why I like to cover my outdoor Sans tables to keep that kind of
rain (and sometimes hail) OFF. I also save rain water in a metal
garbage can as I believe rain water is superior to tap water. This
allows me to water my plants and to add appropriate fertilizers as I
see fit with a watering can.

I like watering my plants ABOUT every 5 days with maybe 3/4 cup water
each (I don't measure it exactly for petes sake) . Most of my pots
are 1 - 1.5 gal. size. If the topsoil is dark (ie wet), I don't
water. Because I use a peat-based mix entirely, with perlite, I
don't ever want my mix to dry out completely. Peat shrinks when it
dries out, which is hard on the roots, and it takes a while to
completely re-wet the peat - and until you do re-wet it, water runs
out the bottom pot holes without getting to the roots.

Almost daily in the summer I inspect my plants. This time gives me
frequent pleasure because I am able to see the first new growths
starting to just peek through the soil, or maybe even a flower stem.
Its exciting, and it brings a smile to my face that day! I also
like to grab a leaf and feel of it. Some plants I notice, grow slow,
others pretty fast. And when I have flowers, I like to take a minute
and rub pollen on the stigmas. The variegated plants truly provide
an added dimension, and bring color to the sans table. This is what
I call, "the fun of Sans". If you never pay attention to your
plants like this, you are missing out on a great learning and fun
opportunity to watch nature in action.

Sorry, I get carried away sometimes.

Mike

Post by michael brodt
Dale (and anyone else),
I recently discovered a problem with my potting mix (1 part each
promix, gravel, perlite, and turface). The problem is, the mix is
staying too wet. The plants have been outside this summer (not
under shelter), and we have had alot of heavy downpours. I noticed
a few plants not looking so good, and unpotted them only to find a
good chunk of their roots had rotted away sometime between spring
and now. Hence, I am mixing more crushed marble and perlite into
the mix. My advice with Turface is to use it at a minimum.
A few sansevieria were doing very very well in this mix, but a few
others (pinguicula, suffruticosa) were really bad. 80% of my
Gasteria had rotted roots as well.
Besides repotting all the plants and bringing them indoors now,
next year my plants will have a roof over their heads.
Included is a picture of the potting mixes just for those
interested. (The crushed marble is white, and the Turface is the
red stuff.)
Living and learning,
-Michael Brodt
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[Norma L]

We water here only once a week in this heat, I use a 50% perlite, 30% coarse wash coarse sand, and 20 organic matter, red wood bark, or oak leaves. I water until I see it running out of the bottom, If really hot 95F + I may water twice a week, if my chop stick come up dry half way down they get water. I am still fertilizing as well, after I water. Mine would rot with that amount of water and so often. All of my plants are in this mix. Norma
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael LaForest
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2006 1:41 PM
Subject: [Sansevierias] The Fun of Sans / Potting soil one last time


When you receive 47+ inches of rain per year like we do here in the east, some of it is going to come in huge downpours - some of which can last for hours and linger around in showers for a few days. This is why I like to cover my outdoor Sans tables to keep that kind of rain (and sometimes hail) OFF. I also save rain water in a metal garbage can as I believe rain water is superior to tap water. This allows me to water my plants and to add appropriate fertilizers as I see fit with a watering can.



I like watering my plants ABOUT every 5 days with maybe 3/4 cup water each (I don't measure it exactly for petes sake) . Most of my pots are 1 - 1.5 gal. size. If the topsoil is dark (ie wet), I don't water. Because I use a peat-based mix entirely, with perlite, I don't ever want my mix to dry out completely. Peat shrinks when it dries out, which is hard on the roots, and it takes a while to completely re-wet the peat - and until you do re-wet it, water runs out the bottom pot holes without getting to the roots.


Almost daily in the summer I inspect my plants. This time gives me frequent pleasure because I am able to see the first new growths starting to just peek through the soil, or maybe even a flower stem. Its exciting, and it brings a smile to my face that day! I also like to grab a leaf and feel of it. Some plants I notice, grow slow, others pretty fast. And when I have flowers, I like to take a minute and rub pollen on the stigmas. The variegated plants truly provide an added dimension, and bring color to the sans table. This is what I call, "the fun of Sans". If you never pay attention to your plants like this, you are missing out on a great learning and fun opportunity to watch nature in action.


Sorry, I get carried away sometimes.


Mike




On Aug 23, 2006, at 3:11 PM, michael brodt wrote:


Dale (and anyone else),

I recently discovered a problem with my potting mix (1 part each promix, gravel, perlite, and turface). The problem is, the mix is staying too wet. The plants have been outside this summer (not under shelter), and we have had alot of heavy downpours. I noticed a few plants not looking so good, and unpotted them only to find a good chunk of their roots had rotted away sometime between spring and now. Hence, I am mixing more crushed marble and perlite into the mix. My advice with Turface is to use it at a minimum.

A few sansevieria were doing very very well in this mix, but a few others (pinguicula, suffruticosa) were really bad. 80% of my Gasteria had rotted roots as well.

Besides repotting all the plants and bringing them indoors now, next year my plants will have a roof over their heads.

Included is a picture of the potting mixes just for those interested. (The crushed marble is white, and the Turface is the red stuff.)

Living and learning,

-Michael Brodt





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[walt_wankel]

Post by Michael LaForest
Almost daily in the summer I inspect my plants. This time gives

me frequent pleasure because I am able to see the first new growths
starting to just peek through the soil, or maybe even a flower
stem. Its exciting, and it brings a smile to my face that day! I
also like to grab a leaf and feel of it. Some plants I notice, grow
slow, others pretty fast. And when I have flowers, I like to take a
minute and rub pollen on the stigmas. The variegated plants truly
provide an added dimension, and bring color to the sans table. This
is what I call, "the fun of Sans". If you never pay attention to
your plants like this, you are missing out on a great learning and
fun opportunity to watch nature in action.

Post by Michael LaForest
Sorry, I get carried away sometimes.

My Lord, you have articulated so well the same feelings I have.
Others just don't understand how I can get so deeply into these
common old Mother-In-Law's tongues, but my experiences are the same
as yours.

I was looking at Russ' assortment the other day - he had listed them
somewhere in a post - and thought, LORD, to have this kind of
collection of plants! the funny thing is that my collection is no
slouch in itself!

I never have enough room for them it seems.

Even the garden variety S. Trifasciatas that I have... I love
looking at them watering them, watching them grow, rich and green.
And brother, when they BLOOM... I'm in heaven...

And I still miss the ones I had to chuck over the fence in South
Carolina because I had no room for them in the truck. The ONLY
place I did not have any sans was in the glove compartment and by
gosh, I need to check that because I might have stuck a leaf in
there.

A woman I work with says that I have "an addictive personality" (I
also am sorta the same way when it comes to premium cigars, espresso
cups, and fountain pen collecting)but at least I figure that
my "addictions" aren't hurting me or anyone else like some others
could....

... and I sure do love 'em.







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" And I still miss the ones I had to chuck over the fence in South
Carolina because I had no room for them in the truck. The ONLY
place I did not have any sans was in the glove compartment and by
gosh, I need to check that because I might have stuck a leaf in
there."

Walt, you should have a friend go back and see if those plants are still alive. I'd bet some are:)

-Michael

walt_wankel <***@yahoo.com> wrote: > Almost daily in the summer I inspect my plants. This time gives
me frequent pleasure because I am able to see the first new growths
starting to just peek through the soil, or maybe even a flower
stem. Its exciting, and it brings a smile to my face that day! I
also like to grab a leaf and feel of it. Some plants I notice, grow
slow, others pretty fast. And when I have flowers, I like to take a
minute and rub pollen on the stigmas. The variegated plants truly
provide an added dimension, and bring color to the sans table. This
is what I call, "the fun of Sans". If you never pay attention to
your plants like this, you are missing out on a great learning and
fun opportunity to watch nature in action.

Post by Michael LaForest
Sorry, I get carried away sometimes.

My Lord, you have articulated so well the same feelings I have.
Others just don't understand how I can get so deeply into these
common old Mother-In-Law's tongues, but my experiences are the same
as yours.

I was looking at Russ' assortment the other day - he had listed them
somewhere in a post - and thought, LORD, to have this kind of
collection of plants! the funny thing is that my collection is no
slouch in itself!

I never have enough room for them it seems.

Even the garden variety S. Trifasciatas that I have... I love
looking at them watering them, watching them grow, rich and green.
And brother, when they BLOOM... I'm in heaven...

And I still miss the ones I had to chuck over the fence in South
Carolina because I had no room for them in the truck. The ONLY
place I did not have any sans was in the glove compartment and by
gosh, I need to check that because I might have stuck a leaf in
there.

A woman I work with says that I have "an addictive personality" (I
also am sorta the same way when it comes to premium cigars, espresso
cups, and fountain pen collecting)but at least I figure that
my "addictions" aren't hurting me or anyone else like some others
could....

... and I sure do love 'em.






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Post by michael brodt
Walt, you should have a friend go back and see if those plants are

still alive. I'd bet some are:)


I'm sure they became separated from their labels. Don't wanna go there
[:((]

I DID try to aim them where I thought they might stand a chance on their
own...

Post by michael brodt
" And I still miss the ones I had to chuck over the fence in South
Carolina because I had no room for them in the truck. The ONLY
place I did not have any sans was in the glove compartment and by
gosh, I need to check that because I might have stuck a leaf in
there."
Walt, you should have a friend go back and see if those plants are

still alive. I'd bet some are:)

Post by michael brodt
-Michael

inspect my plants. This time gives

Post by michael brodt
me frequent pleasure because I am able to see the first new growths
starting to just peek through the soil, or maybe even a flower
stem. Its exciting, and it brings a smile to my face that day! I
also like to grab a leaf and feel of it. Some plants I notice, grow
slow, others pretty fast. And when I have flowers, I like to take a
minute and rub pollen on the stigmas. The variegated plants truly
provide an added dimension, and bring color to the sans table. This
is what I call, "the fun of Sans". If you never pay attention to
your plants like this, you are missing out on a great learning and
fun opportunity to watch nature in action.

Post by Michael LaForest
Sorry, I get carried away sometimes.

My Lord, you have articulated so well the same feelings I have.
Others just don't understand how I can get so deeply into these
common old Mother-In-Law's tongues, but my experiences are the same
as yours.
I was looking at Russ' assortment the other day - he had listed them
somewhere in a post - and thought, LORD, to have this kind of
collection of plants! the funny thing is that my collection is no
slouch in itself!
I never have enough room for them it seems.
Even the garden variety S. Trifasciatas that I have... I love
looking at them watering them, watching them grow, rich and green.
And brother, when they BLOOM... I'm in heaven...
And I still miss the ones I had to chuck over the fence in South
Carolina because I had no room for them in the truck. The ONLY
place I did not have any sans was in the glove compartment and by
gosh, I need to check that because I might have stuck a leaf in
there.
A woman I work with says that I have "an addictive personality" (I
also am sorta the same way when it comes to premium cigars, espresso
cups, and fountain pen collecting)but at least I figure that
my "addictions" aren't hurting me or anyone else like some others
could....
... and I sure do love 'em.
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If my dad lived closer, I'd have him check it out for us:)

-Michael

Post by michael brodt
Walt, you should have a friend go back and see if those plants are still alive. I'd bet some are:)

I'm sure they became separated from their labels. Don't wanna go there
I DID try to aim them where I thought they might stand a chance on their own...

Post by michael brodt
" And I still miss the ones I had to chuck over the fence in South
Carolina because I had no room for them in the truck. The ONLY
place I did not have any sans was in the glove compartment and by
gosh, I need to check that because I might have stuck a leaf in
there."
Walt, you should have a friend go back and see if those plants are still alive. I'd bet some are:)
-Michael
me frequent pleasure because I am able to see the first new growths
starting to just peek through the soil, or maybe even a flower
stem. Its exciting, and it brings a smile to my face that day! I
also like to grab a leaf and feel of it. Some plants I notice, grow
slow, others pretty fast. And when I have flowers, I like to take a
minute and rub pollen on the stigmas. The variegated plants truly
provide an added dimension, and bring color to the sans table. This
is what I call, "the fun of Sans". If you never pay attention to
your plants like this, you are missing out on a great learning and
fun opportunity to watch nature in action.

Post by Michael LaForest
Sorry, I get carried away sometimes.

My Lord, you have articulated so well the same feelings I have.
Others just don't understand how I can get so deeply into these
common old Mother-In-Law's tongues, but my experiences are the same
as yours.
I was looking at Russ' assortment the other day - he had listed them
somewhere in a post - and thought, LORD, to have this kind of
collection of plants! the funny thing is that my collection is no
slouch in itself!
I never have enough room for them it seems.
Even the garden variety S. Trifasciatas that I have... I love
looking at them watering them, watching them grow, rich and green.
And brother, when they BLOOM... I'm in heaven...
And I still miss the ones I had to chuck over the fence in South
Carolina because I had no room for them in the truck. The ONLY
place I did not have any sans was in the glove compartment and by
gosh, I need to check that because I might have stuck a leaf in
there.
A woman I work with says that I have "an addictive personality" (I
also am sorta the same way when it comes to premium cigars, espresso
cups, and fountain pen collecting)but at least I figure that
my "addictions" aren't hurting me or anyone else like some others
could....
... and I sure do love 'em.
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Michael I can't tell by the pictures, I would need to feel the soil. I was told that Sansevieria are not picky about their soil. We use the same mix for all of our plants, so that way our watering won't get screwed up. Norma
----- Original Message -----
From: michael brodt
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2006 12:11 PM
Subject: [Sansevierias] Potting soil one last time


Dale (and anyone else),

I recently discovered a problem with my potting mix (1 part each promix, gravel, perlite, and turface). The problem is, the mix is staying too wet. The plants have been outside this summer (not under shelter), and we have had alot of heavy downpours. I noticed a few plants not looking so good, and unpotted them only to find a good chunk of their roots had rotted away sometime between spring and now. Hence, I am mixing more crushed marble and perlite into the mix. My advice with Turface is to use it at a minimum.

A few sansevieria were doing very very well in this mix, but a few others (pinguicula, suffruticosa) were really bad. 80% of my Gasteria had rotted roots as well.

Besides repotting all the plants and bringing them indoors now, next year my plants will have a roof over their heads.

Included is a picture of the potting mixes just for those interested. (The crushed marble is white, and the Turface is the red stuff.)

Living and learning,

-Michael Brodt

[Hermine]

Post by Norma L
Michael I can't tell by the pictures, I would need to feel the
soil. I was told that Sansevieria are not picky about their
soil. We use the same mix for all of our plants, so that way our
watering won't get screwed up. Norma

I do believe with VERY FEW EXCEPTIONS you can use the same mix for
EVERYTHING which includes ferns and cacti. just water and feed
differently. well, i have done this.

I have germinated and raised Welwischia, for example, in the same
stuff I grow palms.

hermine

[Hermine]

Post by michael brodt
Dale (and anyone else),
I recently discovered a problem with my potting mix (1 part each
promix, gravel, perlite, and turface). The problem is, the mix is
staying too wet. The plants have been outside this summer (not under
shelter), and we have had alot of heavy downpours. I noticed a few
plants not looking so good, and unpotted them only to find a good
chunk of their roots had rotted away sometime between spring and
now. Hence, I am mixing more crushed marble and perlite into the
mix. My advice with Turface is to use it at a minimum.
A few sansevieria were doing very very well in this mix, but a few
others (pinguicula, suffruticosa) were really bad. 80% of my
Gasteria had rotted roots as well.
Besides repotting all the plants and bringing them indoors now, next
year my plants will have a roof over their heads.
Included is a picture of the potting mixes just for those
interested. (The crushed marble is white, and the Turface is the red stuff.)

TURFACE IS NOW RED? it used to be beige like chalky kitty litter. I
think the problem with the bad mix is a lack of particles of varying
sizes and shapes, there is NO AIR SPACE in there. no angular rocks.
it looks SMOOTH.

marble is awfully alkaline.

but above all, the packed density of the bad mix is why it stays wet
and does not hold air.

hermine



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[michael brodt]

Thanks Hermine. I agree, think there just wasn't enough air getting to the roots for the amount of water they were getting.

Oh well. You win some, you lose some, as long as you learn it doesn't matter.

:)
-Michael

Post by michael brodt
Dale (and anyone else),
I recently discovered a problem with my potting mix (1 part each
promix, gravel, perlite, and turface). The problem is, the mix is
staying too wet. The plants have been outside this summer (not under
shelter), and we have had alot of heavy downpours. I noticed a few
plants not looking so good, and unpotted them only to find a good
chunk of their roots had rotted away sometime between spring and
now. Hence, I am mixing more crushed marble and perlite into the
mix. My advice with Turface is to use it at a minimum.
A few sansevieria were doing very very well in this mix, but a few
others (pinguicula, suffruticosa) were really bad. 80% of my
Gasteria had rotted roots as well.
Besides repotting all the plants and bringing them indoors now, next
year my plants will have a roof over their heads.
Included is a picture of the potting mixes just for those
interested. (The crushed marble is white, and the Turface is the red stuff.)

TURFACE IS NOW RED? it used to be beige like chalky kitty litter. I
think the problem with the bad mix is a lack of particles of varying
sizes and shapes, there is NO AIR SPACE in there. no angular rocks.
it looks SMOOTH.

marble is awfully alkaline.

but above all, the packed density of the bad mix is why it stays wet
and does not hold air.

hermine






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How does that "jive" with the trades

people's advise to give a pot a hard jolt to "get out the air"?
Hans
----- Original Message -----
From: michael brodt
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 10:25 AM
Subject: Re: [Sansevierias] Potting soil one last time


Thanks Hermine. I agree, think there just wasn't enough air getting to the roots for the amount of water they were getting.

Oh well. You win some, you lose some, as long as you learn it doesn't matter.

:)
-Michael

Post by michael brodt
Dale (and anyone else),
I recently discovered a problem with my potting mix (1 part each
promix, gravel, perlite, and turface). The problem is, the mix is
staying too wet. The plants have been outside this summer (not under
shelter), and we have had alot of heavy downpours. I noticed a few
plants not looking so good, and unpotted them only to find a good
chunk of their roots had rotted away sometime between spring and
now. Hence, I am mixing more crushed marble and perlite into the
mix. My advice with Turface is to use it at a minimum.
A few sansevieria were doing very very well in this mix, but a few
others (pinguicula, suffruticosa) were really bad. 80% of my
Gasteria had rotted roots as well.
Besides repotting all the plants and bringing them indoors now, next
year my plants will have a roof over their heads.
Included is a picture of the potting mixes just for those
interested. (The crushed marble is white, and the Turface is the red stuff.)

TURFACE IS NOW RED? it used to be beige like chalky kitty litter. I
think the problem with the bad mix is a lack of particles of varying
sizes and shapes, there is NO AIR SPACE in there. no angular rocks.
it looks SMOOTH.

marble is awfully alkaline.

but above all, the packed density of the bad mix is why it stays wet
and does not hold air.

hermine

[Michael LaForest]

Hans,
For most plants I'm familiar with this sounds like bad advice. What
kind of plants are they referring to? Aquatic plants that like muck?
Mike

How does that "jive" with the trades people's advise to give a pot
a hard jolt to "get out the air"?
Hans
----- Original Message -----
From: michael brodt
Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 10:25 AM
Subject: Re: [Sansevierias] Potting soil one last time
Thanks Hermine. I agree, think there just wasn't enough air getting
to the roots for the amount of water they were getting.
Oh well. You win some, you lose some, as long as you learn it
doesn't matter.
:)
-Michael

Post by michael brodt
Dale (and anyone else),
I recently discovered a problem with my potting mix (1 part each
promix, gravel, perlite, and turface). The problem is, the mix is
staying too wet. The plants have been outside this summer (not under
shelter), and we have had alot of heavy downpours. I noticed a few
plants not looking so good, and unpotted them only to find a good
chunk of their roots had rotted away sometime between spring and
now. Hence, I am mixing more crushed marble and perlite into the
mix. My advice with Turface is to use it at a minimum.
A few sansevieria were doing very very well in this mix, but a few
others (pinguicula, suffruticosa) were really bad. 80% of my
Gasteria had rotted roots as well.
Besides repotting all the plants and bringing them indoors now, next
year my plants will have a roof over their heads.
Included is a picture of the potting mixes just for those
interested. (The crushed marble is white, and the Turface is the

red stuff.)
TURFACE IS NOW RED? it used to be beige like chalky kitty litter. I
think the problem with the bad mix is a lack of particles of varying
sizes and shapes, there is NO AIR SPACE in there. no angular rocks.
it looks SMOOTH.
marble is awfully alkaline.
but above all, the packed density of the bad mix is why it stays wet
and does not hold air.
hermine
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Post by Michael LaForest
Hans,
For most plants I'm familiar with this sounds like bad advice. What
kind of plants are they referring to? Aquatic plants that like muck?
Mike

if the mix is right, only a jackhammer would drive out the air, but
of course newly planted things must be compacted a bit in order to
keep the plant from falling over.

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Add some rocks (large size perlite) 1" size red wood chips work also, the kind you use for orchids.) to keep open pockets in the soil, or the plant will burst out of the pot in time anyway to get air and the sun it needs to grow. Norma
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How does that "jive" with the trades

people's advise to give a pot a hard jolt to "get out the air"?
Hans
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Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 10:25 AM
Subject: Re: [Sansevierias] Potting soil one last time


Thanks Hermine. I agree, think there just wasn't enough air getting to the roots for the amount of water they were getting.

Oh well. You win some, you lose some, as long as you learn it doesn't matter.

:)
-Michael

Post by michael brodt
Dale (and anyone else),
I recently discovered a problem with my potting mix (1 part each
promix, gravel, perlite, and turface). The problem is, the mix is
staying too wet. The plants have been outside this summer (not under
shelter), and we have had alot of heavy downpours. I noticed a few
plants not looking so good, and unpotted them only to find a good
chunk of their roots had rotted away sometime between spring and
now. Hence, I am mixing more crushed marble and perlite into the
mix. My advice with Turface is to use it at a minimum.
A few sansevieria were doing very very well in this mix, but a few
others (pinguicula, suffruticosa) were really bad. 80% of my
Gasteria had rotted roots as well.
Besides repotting all the plants and bringing them indoors now, next
year my plants will have a roof over their heads.
Included is a picture of the potting mixes just for those
interested. (The crushed marble is white, and the Turface is the red stuff.)

TURFACE IS NOW RED? it used to be beige like chalky kitty litter. I
think the problem with the bad mix is a lack of particles of varying
sizes and shapes, there is NO AIR SPACE in there. no angular rocks.
it looks SMOOTH.

marble is awfully alkaline.

but above all, the packed density of the bad mix is why it stays wet
and does not hold air.

hermine






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Thanks for the "Heads Up". Michael. I have just started using the turface that Cyndi sent me on a few throw-away aloes to see what happens. Of course it "Never Rains in Southern California", so whatever water my plants get comes from a watering can. Right now in the heat of the summer I'm using an average of about 15 gallons a day for all my plants. I'm watering (soaking) the sans about ever third day and will soon start doing it once a week as the weather cools. It seems to be working.
Dale

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Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2006 12:11 PM
Subject: [Sansevierias] Potting soil one last time


Dale (and anyone else),

I recently discovered a problem with my potting mix (1 part each promix, gravel, perlite, and turface). The problem is, the mix is staying too wet. The plants have been outside this summer (not under shelter), and we have had alot of heavy downpours. I noticed a few plants not looking so good, and unpotted them only to find a good chunk of their roots had rotted away sometime between spring and now. Hence, I am mixing more crushed marble and perlite into the mix. My advice with Turface is to use it at a minimum.

A few sansevieria were doing very very well in this mix, but a few others (pinguicula, suffruticosa) were really bad. 80% of my Gasteria had rotted roots as well.

Besides repotting all the plants and bringing them indoors now, next year my plants will have a roof over their heads.

Included is a picture of the potting mixes just for those interested. (The crushed marble is white, and the Turface is the red stuff.)

Living and learning,

-Michael Brodt

[walt_wankel]

Post by michael brodt
Besides repotting all the plants and bringing them indoors now,

next year my plants will have a roof over their heads

At our new house, we have zero shade. I think I am going to try to
build some kind of a small lath house for the plants outside.





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Shadehouses are relatively easy to build Walt. I grew up with my grandparents, and my grandfather had one of
the most rudimentary shadehouses I've ever seen. Cedar posts in the ground connected at the top with 2x4s
and chicken wire nailed across the top of that. Then he gathered spanish moss and spread it over the chicken wire for shade. Once it drooped a bit into the netting of the chicken wire, it stayed in place pretty good on windy days. This was in the days, I think, before shadecloth. This thing covered about 1/4 of an acre.

Never had a 'dad', my grandfather was the reason my brother and I have a love of plants, and I'm proud to have his first name, Clarence.

Russ

[michael brodt]

That's a great idea Russ. I'm thinking of doing pretty much the same thing, except one leg of the house will be a large ash tree, and I'll use those fiberglass pieces for the top.

-Michael Brodt

Bluesea <***@cfl.rr.com> wrote:
Shadehouses are relatively easy to build Walt. I grew up with my grandparents, and my grandfather had one of
the most rudimentary shadehouses I've ever seen. Cedar posts in the ground connected at the top with 2x4s
and chicken wire nailed across the top of that. Then he gathered spanish moss and spread it over the chicken wire for shade. Once it drooped a bit into the netting of the chicken wire, it stayed in place pretty good on windy days. This was in the days, I think, before shadecloth. This thing covered about 1/4 of an acre.

Never had a 'dad', my grandfather was the reason my brother and I have a love of plants, and I'm proud to have his first name, Clarence.

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Subject: Re: [Sansevierias] Re: Potting soil one last time


Shadehouses are relatively easy to build Walt. I grew up with my grandparents, and my grandfather had one of
the most rudimentary shadehouses I've ever seen. Cedar posts in the ground connected at the top with 2x4s
and chicken wire nailed across the top of that. Then he gathered spanish moss and spread it over the chicken wire for shade. Once it drooped a bit into the netting of the chicken wire, it stayed in place pretty good on windy days. This was in the days, I think, before shadecloth. This thing covered about 1/4 of an acre.

Never had a 'dad', my grandfather was the reason my brother and I have a love of plants, and I'm proud to have his first name, Clarence.

Russ

[barbara polny]

While I learned to putting plants into the sun after they just spend much of
the year in a greenhouse, is calling for a disaster,. I have found that
those same plants, having spend much of the summer under other plants and in
other safe positions, love direct sunlight once summer is coming to a close
(hear in NE Pa.)
I would love to hear from Hermine and others about just how such "hardening"
should proceed.
Thanks. Hans
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Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 10:39 AM
Subject: [Sansevierias] Re: Potting soil one last time

Post by michael brodt

Post by michael brodt
Besides repotting all the plants and bringing them indoors now,

next year my plants will have a roof over their heads
At our new house, we have zero shade. I think I am going to try to
build some kind of a small lath house for the plants outside.
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[walt_wankel]

Never had a greenhouse but I wintered my plants in a sunny garage.

When it would get warm, they would go under a shade tree for a few
weeks, then to another tree with dappled shade for a few weeks.

To be honest, I never put many of my plants under direct sun.
Trifasciatas did OK, but they all seemed to do their best with at
least a little dappled shade...

We don't have any trees on our new house property and I'm not sure I
want any, so I'm gonna have to do a lath house or something...

Post by barbara polny
While I learned to putting plants into the sun after they just

spend much of

Post by barbara polny
the year in a greenhouse, is calling for a disaster,. I have found that
those same plants, having spend much of the summer under other

plants and in

Post by barbara polny
other safe positions, love direct sunlight once summer is coming to a close
(hear in NE Pa.)
I would love to hear from Hermine and others about just how

such "hardening"

Post by barbara polny
should proceed.
Thanks. Hans
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Subject: [Sansevierias] Re: Potting soil one last time

Post by michael brodt

Post by michael brodt
Besides repotting all the plants and bringing them indoors now,

next year my plants will have a roof over their heads
At our new house, we have zero shade. I think I am going to try to
build some kind of a small lath house for the plants outside.
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[Bluesea]

A lath house full of plants very special place for me, a religious space. Something about the light in one that makes me feel peaceful, and at one with living things. A greenhouse is nice, but a lath house is wonderfully
renewing, and shuts away the world outside.

Russ

[Hermine]

Post by Bluesea
A lath house full of plants very special place for me, a religious
space. Something about the light in one that makes me feel
peaceful, and at one with living things. A greenhouse is nice, but
a lath house is wonderfully
renewing, and shuts away the world outside.
Russ

people seem to CRAVE this sort of space but seldom DO it. i think a
GAZEBO is one expression of this. something wonderful about a lath
house, like a barn with nearly all its wood missing.

hermine

[barbara polny]

Few places are as inviting and welcoming as the lath structures in desert botanic gardens, like that in Tucson.
Hans
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Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2006 4:15 AM
Subject: Re: [Sansevierias] Walt's lathhouse


At 08:28 AM 8/12/2006, you wrote:

A lath house full of plants very special place for me, a religious space. Something about the light in one that makes me feel peaceful, and at one with living things. A greenhouse is nice, but a lath house is wonderfully
renewing, and shuts away the world outside.

Russ


people seem to CRAVE this sort of space but seldom DO it. i think a GAZEBO is one expression of this. something wonderful about a lath house, like a barn with nearly all its wood missing.

hermine

[Norma L]

I used to hide in my greenhouse just to gather my thought. I feel the same way about Lath houses. Hermine the program is almost together, thanks to you. Norma
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Few places are as inviting and welcoming as the lath structures in desert botanic gardens, like that in Tucson.
Hans
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Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2006 4:15 AM
Subject: Re: [Sansevierias] Walt's lathhouse


At 08:28 AM 8/12/2006, you wrote:

A lath house full of plants very special place for me, a religious space. Something about the light in one that makes me feel peaceful, and at one with living things. A greenhouse is nice, but a lath house is wonderfully
renewing, and shuts away the world outside.

Russ


people seem to CRAVE this sort of space but seldom DO it. i think a GAZEBO is one expression of this. something wonderful about a lath house, like a barn with nearly all its wood missing.

hermine

[walt_wankel]

have always wanted a property with an old, dilapidated barn.

Maybe I can drink a few beers before building the lath house. THEN I
might end up with something that at least looks dilapidated...

Post by Hermine

Post by Bluesea
A lath house full of plants very special place for me, a religious
space. Something about the light in one that makes me feel
peaceful, and at one with living things. A greenhouse is nice, but
a lath house is wonderfully
renewing, and shuts away the world outside.
Russ

people seem to CRAVE this sort of space but seldom DO it. i think a
GAZEBO is one expression of this. something wonderful about a lath
house, like a barn with nearly all its wood missing.
hermine

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[barbara polny]

By and large the barns in this county of Pa. are much more beautiful and
architecturally interesting than most houses, especially the more recent
ones, most of them are hidiously ugly.
The little barn in which I keep the birds is old, the boards, not having
been painted for a very long time, became extremely brittle. It took for
ever to paint them.
Hans
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Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 9:11 AM
Subject: [Sansevierias] Re: Walt's lathhouse

Post by walt_wankel
have always wanted a property with an old, dilapidated barn.
Maybe I can drink a few beers before building the lath house. THEN I
might end up with something that at least looks dilapidated...

Post by Hermine

Post by Bluesea
A lath house full of plants very special place for me, a religious
space. Something about the light in one that makes me feel
peaceful, and at one with living things. A greenhouse is nice, but
a lath house is wonderfully
renewing, and shuts away the world outside.
Russ

people seem to CRAVE this sort of space but seldom DO it. i think a
GAZEBO is one expression of this. something wonderful about a lath
house, like a barn with nearly all its wood missing.
hermine

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[Michael LaForest]

I use the GI (gradual introduction) method almost exactly like Walt
describes below except I do eventually put my plants in the direct
sun on a table. The table does, however, have a roof made of clear
fiberglass panels (2-2 x 10 feet) to keep driving rain (and
infrequent hail) out of the pots. Although clear, the fiberglass
roof does provide JUST the right amount of shade to suit me, and I
hope the plants.
Mike

Post by walt_wankel
Never had a greenhouse but I wintered my plants in a sunny garage.
When it would get warm, they would go under a shade tree for a few
weeks, then to another tree with dappled shade for a few weeks.
To be honest, I never put many of my plants under direct sun.
Trifasciatas did OK, but they all seemed to do their best with at
least a little dappled shade...
We don't have any trees on our new house property and I'm not sure I
want any, so I'm gonna have to do a lath house or something...

Post by barbara polny
While I learned to putting plants into the sun after they just

spend much of

Post by barbara polny
the year in a greenhouse, is calling for a disaster,. I have found

that

Post by barbara polny
those same plants, having spend much of the summer under other

plants and in

Post by barbara polny
other safe positions, love direct sunlight once summer is coming

to a close

Post by barbara polny
(hear in NE Pa.)
I would love to hear from Hermine and others about just how

such "hardening"

Post by barbara polny
should proceed.
Thanks. Hans
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Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 10:39 AM
Subject: [Sansevierias] Re: Potting soil one last time

Post by michael brodt

Post by michael brodt
Besides repotting all the plants and bringing them indoors now,

next year my plants will have a roof over their heads
At our new house, we have zero shade. I think I am going to try

to

Post by barbara polny

Post by michael brodt
build some kind of a small lath house for the plants outside.
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[michael brodt]

Good advice Mike.

Personally, I've found the best way to harden off sansevierias is to place them into the deep freeze for at least 8 hours. Generally after that they are hard enough to hammer a nail with. It's important not to dawdle though when using a frozen sansevieria as a hammer. Once they start to thaw out, they get kinda mushy.

-Lt. Brodt.

Michael LaForest <***@comcast.net> wrote: I use the GI (gradual introduction) method almost exactly like Walt describes below except I do eventually put my plants in the direct sun on a table. The table does, however, have a roof made of clear fiberglass panels (2-2 x 10 feet) to keep driving rain (and infrequent hail) out of the pots. Although clear, the fiberglass roof does provide JUST the right amount of shade to suit me, and I hope the plants.
Mike

On Aug 25, 2006, at 9:29 AM, walt_wankel wrote:

Never had a greenhouse but I wintered my plants in a sunny garage.

When it would get warm, they would go under a shade tree for a few
weeks, then to another tree with dappled shade for a few weeks.

To be honest, I never put many of my plants under direct sun.
Trifasciatas did OK, but they all seemed to do their best with at
least a little dappled shade...

We don't have any trees on our new house property and I'm not sure I
want any, so I'm gonna have to do a lath house or something...

Post by barbara polny
While I learned to putting plants into the sun after they just

spend much of

Post by barbara polny
the year in a greenhouse, is calling for a disaster,. I have found

that

Post by barbara polny
those same plants, having spend much of the summer under other

plants and in

Post by barbara polny
other safe positions, love direct sunlight once summer is coming

to a close

Post by barbara polny
(hear in NE Pa.)
I would love to hear from Hermine and others about just how

such "hardening"

Post by barbara polny
should proceed.
Thanks. Hans
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Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 10:39 AM
Subject: [Sansevierias] Re: Potting soil one last time

Post by michael brodt

Post by michael brodt
Besides repotting all the plants and bringing them indoors now,

next year my plants will have a roof over their heads
At our new house, we have zero shade. I think I am going to try

to

Post by barbara polny

Post by michael brodt
build some kind of a small lath house for the plants outside.
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Lt. Brodt,
its too early to start happy hour with the jokes! get back to your
cubby hole for another 2 hours!
The General

Post by michael brodt
Good advice Mike.
Personally, I've found the best way to harden off sansevierias is
to place them into the deep freeze for at least 8 hours. Generally
after that they are hard enough to hammer a nail with. It's
important not to dawdle though when using a frozen sansevieria as a
hammer. Once they start to thaw out, they get kinda mushy.
-Lt. Brodt.
I use the GI (gradual introduction) method almost exactly like
Walt describes below except I do eventually put my plants in the
direct sun on a table. The table does, however, have a roof made
of clear fiberglass panels (2-2 x 10 feet) to keep driving rain
(and infrequent hail) out of the pots. Although clear, the
fiberglass roof does provide JUST the right amount of shade to suit
me, and I hope the plants.
Mike

Post by walt_wankel
Never had a greenhouse but I wintered my plants in a sunny garage.
When it would get warm, they would go under a shade tree for a few
weeks, then to another tree with dappled shade for a few weeks.
To be honest, I never put many of my plants under direct sun.
Trifasciatas did OK, but they all seemed to do their best with at
least a little dappled shade...
We don't have any trees on our new house property and I'm not sure I
want any, so I'm gonna have to do a lath house or something...

Post by barbara polny
While I learned to putting plants into the sun after they just

spend much of

Post by barbara polny
the year in a greenhouse, is calling for a disaster,. I have found

that

Post by barbara polny
those same plants, having spend much of the summer under other

plants and in

Post by barbara polny
other safe positions, love direct sunlight once summer is coming

to a close

Post by barbara polny
(hear in NE Pa.)
I would love to hear from Hermine and others about just how

such "hardening"

Post by barbara polny
should proceed.
Thanks. Hans
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Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 10:39 AM
Subject: [Sansevierias] Re: Potting soil one last time

Post by michael brodt

Post by michael brodt
Besides repotting all the plants and bringing them indoors now,

next year my plants will have a roof over their heads
At our new house, we have zero shade. I think I am going to try

to

Post by barbara polny

Post by michael brodt
build some kind of a small lath house for the plants outside.
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Post by Michael LaForest
Lt. Brodt,
its too early to start happy hour with the jokes! get back to your
cubby hole for another 2 hours!
The General

OH? are we still stuck in Unhappy Hour?
Silly me!

I have been perfectly happy for the last 45 minutes. Even though I am
developing sincere and heart felt doubts my new Sansevieria from
Madagascar is actually something like an Aspidistra.

hermine
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HA ha ha
Dale
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Subject: Re: [Sansevierias] how to "harden plants"


Good advice Mike.

Personally, I've found the best way to harden off sansevierias is to place them into the deep freeze for at least 8 hours. Generally after that they are hard enough to hammer a nail with. It's important not to dawdle though when using a frozen sansevieria as a hammer. Once they start to thaw out, they get kinda mushy.

-Lt. Brodt.

Michael LaForest <***@comcast.net> wrote:

I use the GI (gradual introduction) method almost exactly like Walt describes below except I do eventually put my plants in the direct sun on a table. The table does, however, have a roof made of clear fiberglass panels (2-2 x 10 feet) to keep driving rain (and infrequent hail) out of the pots. Although clear, the fiberglass roof does provide JUST the right amount of shade to suit me, and I hope the plants.
Mike


On Aug 25, 2006, at 9:29 AM, walt_wankel wrote:


Never had a greenhouse but I wintered my plants in a sunny garage.

When it would get warm, they would go under a shade tree for a few
weeks, then to another tree with dappled shade for a few weeks.

To be honest, I never put many of my plants under direct sun.
Trifasciatas did OK, but they all seemed to do their best with at
least a little dappled shade...

We don't have any trees on our new house property and I'm not sure I
want any, so I'm gonna have to do a lath house or something...

Post by barbara polny
While I learned to putting plants into the sun after they just

spend much of

Post by barbara polny
the year in a greenhouse, is calling for a disaster,. I have found

that

Post by barbara polny
those same plants, having spend much of the summer under other

plants and in

Post by barbara polny
other safe positions, love direct sunlight once summer is coming

to a close

Post by barbara polny
(hear in NE Pa.)
I would love to hear from Hermine and others about just how

such "hardening"

Post by barbara polny
should proceed.
Thanks. Hans
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Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 10:39 AM
Subject: [Sansevierias] Re: Potting soil one last time

Post by michael brodt

Post by michael brodt
Besides repotting all the plants and bringing them indoors now,

next year my plants will have a roof over their heads
At our new house, we have zero shade. I think I am going to try

to

Post by barbara polny

Post by michael brodt
build some kind of a small lath house for the plants outside.
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[Hermine]

Post by Dale LaForest
HA ha ha
Dale

I will give you something to laff at. I am sorry I missed Photo
Wednesday. but here i am in my latest incarnation.

[]

Boy, I am HOT!!!!

[Michael LaForest]

Now THAT'S what I'm talkin' about, Hermine! Wish I had that nose!
Mine's a little upturned. My godmother, Marge Wilbur, bless her
heart, used to run her finger down it and call it a 'ski jump', then
laugh. Maybe I can send a pic of it later.

Joe, catfish tonight.
Mike

Post by Hermine

Post by Dale LaForest
HA ha ha
Dale

I will give you something to laff at. I am sorry I missed Photo
Wednesday. but here i am in my latest incarnation.
<7.0.1.0.2.20060825121520.0239cba0>
Boy, I am HOT!!!!

[Hermine]

Post by Michael LaForest
Now THAT'S what I'm talkin' about, Hermine! Wish I had that nose!
Mine's a little upturned. My godmother, Marge Wilbur, bless her
heart, used to run her finger down it and call it a 'ski jump', then
laugh. Maybe I can send a pic of it later.
Joe, catfish tonight.
Mike

I am very fond of my nose. I have no idea why the NOSE became the
focal point of a major Hollywood Industry, PLASTIC SURGERY. without
which the economy would collapse in California! the ski jump nose is
famous on Bob Hope. Marlon Brando had his nose broken while playfully
boxing with a worker during the stage run of you know, that thing
where there is blanche and he rips up his undershirt. too famous to
mention. the director was hysterical but Brando said, he liked it
better. mine was broken only once by a leaping dog. I cannot say it
was improved or not. it sort of takes a left turn somewhere slightly.

herm



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Bob Hope had a ski jump as well. His adopted son, had plastic surgery to match it. True story. Norma
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Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 12:32 PM
Subject: [Sansevierias] THAT'S what I'm talkin' about - INDEED!


Now THAT'S what I'm talkin' about, Hermine! Wish I had that nose!

Mine's a little upturned. My godmother, Marge Wilbur, bless her heart, used to run her finger down it and call it a 'ski jump', then laugh. Maybe I can send a pic of it later.


Joe, catfish tonight.
Mike






On Aug 25, 2006, at 3:17 PM, Hermine wrote:


At 11:32 AM 8/25/2006, you wrote:


HA ha ha
Dale


I will give you something to laff at. I am sorry I missed Photo Wednesday. but here i am in my latest incarnation.


<7.0.1.0.2.20060825121520.0239cba0>

Boy, I am HOT!!!!

[Hermine]

Post by Norma L
Bob Hope had a ski jump as well. His adopted son, had plastic
surgery to match it. True story. Norma

what an ODD thing to do! and what an ODD thing for me to say!

hermine

[Dale LaForest]

Woo hoo . . . Hot indeed. Does it hurt? :-0
Dale

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To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 12:17 PM
Subject: Re: [Sansevierias] Clearly OT :-) INDEED!


At 11:32 AM 8/25/2006, you wrote:


HA ha ha
Dale


I will give you something to laff at. I am sorry I missed Photo Wednesday. but here i am in my latest incarnation.


Boy, I am HOT!!!!

[Norma L]

Well I must say that is different and will probably start a fad. Just walk through a high school, and then wait a month and see how many kids follow. A shopping mall on a Sat will work as well. l You will be a hit.
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Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 12:31 PM
Subject: Re: [Sansevierias] Clearly OT :-) INDEED!



Woo hoo . . . Hot indeed. Does it hurt? :-0
Dale

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Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 12:17 PM
Subject: Re: [Sansevierias] Clearly OT :-) INDEED!


At 11:32 AM 8/25/2006, you wrote:


HA ha ha
Dale


I will give you something to laff at. I am sorry I missed Photo Wednesday. but here i am in my latest incarnation.


Boy, I am HOT!!!!

[Hermine]

Post by Norma L
Well I must say that is different and will probably start a
fad. Just walk through a high school, and then wait a month and see
how many kids follow. A shopping mall on a Sat will work as well. l
You will be a hit.

being a trend-setter is a heavy burden, I tell you.
herm

[Hermine]

Post by Dale LaForest
Woo hoo . . . Hot indeed. Does it hurt? :-0
Dale

does WHAT hurt?

herm

[Dale LaForest]

Why the red hair of course. No, I was kidding. I'm sure you were referring to the actual temperature.
Dale

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Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 8:27 PM
Subject: Re: [Sansevierias] Clearly OT :-) INDEED!


At 12:31 PM 8/25/2006, you wrote:


Woo hoo . . . Hot indeed. Does it hurt? :-0
Dale


does WHAT hurt?

herm

[Hermine]

Post by Dale LaForest
Why the red hair of course. No, I was kidding. I'm sure you were
referring to the actual temperature.
Dale

this whole thing of adding hair must have come about from male
pattern baldness, cuz I remember seeing ads for things which were not
toupees, nor were they transplants, and yet, they were said to be
LIKE YOUR OWN HAIR. "What could this be???" I wondered. they were
primitive EXTENSIONS. all this stuff I have is EXTENSIONS. and it was
a real eye opener because everyone else there was NORMAL and having
normal colour hair added so they had about sixteen times the amount
of hair any normal human being can possibly grow, and I realized in a
flash that everyone on Telly and Films has HAIR EXTENSIONS. mine are
utterly fake, but have the exact texture of clean dreadlocks. If i
accept the premise that my hair is naturally fuchsia, (which i now
do!) the fake dreads look "real". My ex husband asked me when I grew them.

As of right now, we must all stop envying anyone you see in a shampoo
commercial or wherever, it is EXTENSIONS, one of the major industries
after plastic surgery, which keeps California solvent. I am having
the whole mohawk dreaded, tho with short dreads for the rest of
it. and one washes it like hair and so forth. in fact, it dries
almost immediately! since it is not HAIR at all! After working in
the garden nursery today, and being covered with a film of dust, i
hosed my entire head off outdoors before coming into the house, just
as I always did, and in a few minutes, i was ready to dance the night
away, but instead we revised parts of the watering system.

did I tell you the plant from Madagascar looks awfully like a kind of
ASPIDISTRA?

i am almost killing myself laughing!

ALSO a client swore she had this bamboo, Phyllostachys violascens,
and we said, nuh uh! and I am sorry to say, we were right because I
sure would have liked what real violascens looks like in pictures, IF
IT ACTUALLY EXISTS as a stable cultivar, because I know it is not a
species. I mean, i have very serious doubts it is a valid species
name. however, a plant either does or does not have purple stripes.
so if it is solid green, it does not have purple stripes. that is how
I look at it.

hermine

[Norma L]

I think you should do it the conventional way. Norma
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Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 11:32 AM
Subject: [Sansevierias] Clearly OT :-)



HA ha ha
Dale
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Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 9:59 AM
Subject: Re: [Sansevierias] how to "harden plants"


Good advice Mike.

Personally, I've found the best way to harden off sansevierias is to place them into the deep freeze for at least 8 hours. Generally after that they are hard enough to hammer a nail with. It's important not to dawdle though when using a frozen sansevieria as a hammer. Once they start to thaw out, they get kinda mushy.

-Lt. Brodt.

Michael LaForest <***@comcast.net> wrote:

I use the GI (gradual introduction) method almost exactly like Walt describes below except I do eventually put my plants in the direct sun on a table. The table does, however, have a roof made of clear fiberglass panels (2-2 x 10 feet) to keep driving rain (and infrequent hail) out of the pots. Although clear, the fiberglass roof does provide JUST the right amount of shade to suit me, and I hope the plants.
Mike


On Aug 25, 2006, at 9:29 AM, walt_wankel wrote:


Never had a greenhouse but I wintered my plants in a sunny garage.

When it would get warm, they would go under a shade tree for a few
weeks, then to another tree with dappled shade for a few weeks.

To be honest, I never put many of my plants under direct sun.
Trifasciatas did OK, but they all seemed to do their best with at
least a little dappled shade...

We don't have any trees on our new house property and I'm not sure I
want any, so I'm gonna have to do a lath house or something...

Post by barbara polny
While I learned to putting plants into the sun after they just

spend much of

Post by barbara polny
the year in a greenhouse, is calling for a disaster,. I have found

that

Post by barbara polny
those same plants, having spend much of the summer under other

plants and in

Post by barbara polny
other safe positions, love direct sunlight once summer is coming

to a close

Post by barbara polny
(hear in NE Pa.)
I would love to hear from Hermine and others about just how

such "hardening"

Post by barbara polny
should proceed.
Thanks. Hans
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Subject: [Sansevierias] Re: Potting soil one last time

Post by michael brodt

Post by michael brodt
Besides repotting all the plants and bringing them indoors now,

next year my plants will have a roof over their heads
At our new house, we have zero shade. I think I am going to try

to

Post by barbara polny

Post by michael brodt
build some kind of a small lath house for the plants outside.
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Post by barbara polny
While I learned to putting plants into the sun after they just spend much of
the year in a greenhouse, is calling for a disaster,. I have found that
those same plants, having spend much of the summer under other plants and in
other safe positions, love direct sunlight once summer is coming to a close
(hear in NE Pa.)
I would love to hear from Hermine and others about just how such "hardening"
should proceed.

with horrible excessive caution. HERE the summer sun just arrives one
day and sears the daylights out of plants, even some which have been
in the ground for decades, and I am not excepting things like blue
agaves. it takes very long for leaves to toughen to the
sun. considering the slowness of the plant to change to ANYTHING in
the environment, (except cold) (fatal cold) I would say, do this as
slowly as possible if at all. on one recent issue of the Sansevieria
Journal there are pix of habitat grown plants, and they are so
totally FRIED. I do not think we want that look!

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Cool photo of the mixes, Michael. A scientist thru and thru. I think you've made a smart move in keeping the
Turface and gravel to a minimum, and bumping up the perlite and crushed granite. You should do much better
with those new formulas.
Russ

[walt_wankel]

Michael, do you use plastic pots?

Post by michael brodt
Dale (and anyone else),
I recently discovered a problem with my potting mix (1 part each

promix, gravel, perlite, and turface). The problem is, the mix is
staying too wet. The plants have been outside this summer (not under
shelter), and we have had alot of heavy downpours. I noticed a few
plants not looking so good, and unpotted them only to find a good
chunk of their roots had rotted away sometime between spring and
now. Hence, I am mixing more crushed marble and perlite into the
mix. My advice with Turface is to use it at a minimum.

Post by michael brodt
A few sansevieria were doing very very well in this mix, but a few

others (pinguicula, suffruticosa) were really bad. 80% of my
Gasteria had rotted roots as well.

Post by michael brodt
Besides repotting all the plants and bringing them indoors now,

next year my plants will have a roof over their heads.

Post by michael brodt
Included is a picture of the potting mixes just for those

interested. (The crushed marble is white, and the Turface is the red
stuff.)

Post by michael brodt
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Walt,

Yes, I use mainly plastic pots. But some plants in clay pots had problems as well.

-Michael

Post by michael brodt
Dale (and anyone else),
I recently discovered a problem with my potting mix (1 part each

promix, gravel, perlite, and turface). The problem is, the mix is
staying too wet. The plants have been outside this summer (not under
shelter), and we have had alot of heavy downpours. I noticed a few
plants not looking so good, and unpotted them only to find a good
chunk of their roots had rotted away sometime between spring and
now. Hence, I am mixing more crushed marble and perlite into the
mix. My advice with Turface is to use it at a minimum.

Post by michael brodt
A few sansevieria were doing very very well in this mix, but a few

others (pinguicula, suffruticosa) were really bad. 80% of my
Gasteria had rotted roots as well.

Post by michael brodt
Besides repotting all the plants and bringing them indoors now,

next year my plants will have a roof over their heads.

Post by michael brodt
Included is a picture of the potting mixes just for those

interested. (The crushed marble is white, and the Turface is the red
stuff.)

Post by michael brodt
Living and learning,
-Michael Brodt
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Subject: Re: [Sansevierias] Sansevieria List Species/Hybrids



Speaking of name changing. I added a new tag to my S. hargeisana which I now believe is actually S. bella 'Mutomo' as is the plant I posted as S. sp. 'Mutomo'. Of course I'll retain the history.
Dale

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Mike, yes I knew that, and yes Smoley does get confused with the names, but then again he may have the label that Juan gave him, or from others that were spelled wrong or just plain ridicules They can get confused easily if you listen to everyone. Juan gave me 60 plants before he moved, I am very blessed that he did so. I also got many from the Huntington Gardens and many of them was mislabeled when received. We all do the best we can. Norma
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Did you know that Mr. Smoley got many of his plants from Juan Chahinian years ago? Juan is truly the Johnny Appleseed of Sansevierias! The only troubling thing about this is that Bob's reputation for correct names is a little bit in question depending on who you talk to.

Mike




On Aug 9, 2006, at 12:40 PM, Bluesea wrote:




Hey thanks Tom, I'll include that 'Smoley' info on my label of your Sans. I believe I have it labelled simply as trif X singlularis/fischeri, for some reason. I was not sure this is the infamous 'Leopard Bat', altho it certainly looks like it from pictures.

Russ

[Hermine]

Post by Michael LaForest
Did you know that Mr. Smoley got many of his plants from Juan
Chahinian years ago? Juan is truly the Johnny Appleseed of
Sansevierias! The only troubling thing about this is that Bob's
reputation for correct names is a little bit in question depending
on who you talk to.
Mike

ACTUALLY everybody's reputation for correct names is a little bit in
question depending upon who you talk to!

it is possible that Bob Smoley got plants from me, i no longer
remember. And Juan and I both got plants from Manny Singer. who got
them from among others John Lavranos, and Alfred razafindratsira and
various others.

a guy who was a direct descendent of Johnny Appleseed came by one day
to give me some FREE PLUMERIA CUTTINGS. how about that for an inherited trait!

hermine



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LOVE IT.Hans















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Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 5:13 PM
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Post by Hermine

Post by Michael LaForest
Did you know that Mr. Smoley got many of his plants from Juan
Chahinian years ago? Juan is truly the Johnny Appleseed of
Sansevierias! The only troubling thing about this is that Bob's
reputation for correct names is a little bit in question depending
on who you talk to.
Mike

ACTUALLY everybody's reputation for correct names is a little bit in
question depending upon who you talk to!
it is possible that Bob Smoley got plants from me, i no longer
remember. And Juan and I both got plants from Manny Singer. who got
them from among others John Lavranos, and Alfred razafindratsira and
various others.
a guy who was a direct descendent of Johnny Appleseed came by one day
to give me some FREE PLUMERIA CUTTINGS. how about that for an inherited trait!
hermine
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---Thanks Russ, now I know what I have and don't need to make up a
list. I'll just add a few and it will be done. I have pretty much
the same as you, Norma

Post by Bluesea
Russ Hammer As oPeoples, here's my unofficial list of Sans

species. It is not up to date, I have some to add and probably a
few to delete, but at least I finally got it put into Word. Still
working on Trifasciata list, and Unidentified Species list, will
post when they're done.

Post by Bluesea
Russ
Russ

Hammer
As of 6/06

Post by Bluesea
PO Box 471213
Lake Monroe FL 32747
Cell 407-753-5763
SANSEVIERIA SPECIES
aethiopica
aethiopica HBG 60915
aethiopica Lav 12/90 +/- east of Patensie Cp (Arias, USF 10/03)
angustiflora
arborescens (see bagamoyensis)
bacularis = sulcata (Huntington BG 9/99)
bacularis = sulcata HBG 61170 (Huntington BG)
bacularis = sulcata (Hollygate Nursery, England) (Grigsby 36-

78) (Huntington BG 9/99)

Post by Bluesea
bagamoyensis = arborescens Copenhagen Botanic Garden, Denmark (Lone Kofod, Denmark)
bella
canaliculata Dwarf
c.f. caulescens Lav & Bleck 4/81 Bura, Kenya (Arias, USF 10/03)
coccina Ed Eby, Koko Crater
conspicua (Smoley, 1997)
cylindrica v. cylindrica
cylindrica v. patula 7/3/91 FW (AW)
dawei EnSp Uganda (AW) Alice says 'Grows 4 ft tall'
deserti HBG 61032 Robson (6/99)
deserti (my ID: D-1)
deserti hybrid F-1 (Geri Prall, Cape Coral FL, USF palm vendor)
Koko - EE's Koko (AW)
ehrenbergii (AW)
erythraea = schweinfurthii
fasciata JD.GJ
fasciata EnSp
fischeri (singularis) (Arias USF 9/01)
fischeri (singularis) HBG 46040
francissii (sp. FKH 424)
fruticosa (ID questionable) Linden 84-618C HBG 55141

(Huntington BG 9/99)

Post by Bluesea
gracilis Pfennig's Form (Al Laius UK, 9/02)
aff. Gracilis
grandicuspis USDA 19726 (received as 'name questionable)
grandis Major Form (AW)
grandis v. rosea (AW) = subspicata
guineensis (metallica) EnSp
guineensis (metallica) 'Manolyn' (USF 2003)
guineensis (metallica) 'San Remo' (AW) received as 'Futura Aurea'
guineensis (metallica) 'Variegata' or 'White Striped Giant'
hallii
hallii (Huntington BG 9/99)
hallii (Huntington BG) Possibly 'Blue Bat'.
c.f. hallii D. McMurtry Zimbabwe N. of Lundi River, S. of

Masvingo (Arias USF 10/03)
(Huntington BG 9/99)

Post by Bluesea
intermedia
intermedia HBG 61071
javanica (USF, sold by C&SS for a woman collector in Wisconsin, summer 2000)
SANSEVIERIA SPECIES page

2 As
of 6/06

Post by Bluesea
javanica 'Striated' (Laius?? from Norma Lewis, N. Hollywood, CA)
kirkii v. kirkii
kirkii v. pulchra
kirkii v. pulchra x cylindrica v. cylindrica (AW)
kirkii v. pulchra 'Coppertone' (old note: USDA M19521 more

intense color form, is this the same plant?)

Post by Bluesea
liberica Koko (AW)
longiflora Open pollinated, seed ex Hawaii (Ed Eby?) (ID not positive, dropped label)
macrophylla GC 78-125 F/C Brian Mason Natal
masai
masoniana 'Mason Congo'
masoniana 'Mason Congo' GC 78-133
metallica Koko Ed Eby
nilotica v. obscura (received as 'obscura near Nilotica', AW)

9/28/82 BG.AB.ED ID by D.Grigsby

Post by Bluesea
parva (AW)
parva 'Wide Leaf' ES 2711 Ernest Specks, Germany
parva 'Wide Leaf' (Faye Underwood, Norfolk VA 9/00) Label

said 'parva with groove'.

Post by Bluesea
parva 'Wide Leaf' (Herman Weitkamp, Tenerife, Spain 5/04)
patens
pearsonii UCD B73-064 Ronin 9259 Dramboland, S. Africa HBG

61036 (10/00, prob Huntington)

Post by Bluesea
pinguicula
raffillii
robusta (Herman Weitkamp, Tenerife, Spain 5/04)
roxburghiana
roxburghiana 'Zebra Fountain' (Huntington BG)
roxburghiana (Dr. Ram Gandi, India)
raffillii (AW)
raffillii EnSp AB.ED (Huntington BG)
rhodesiana
senegalensis
senegambica
splendens Hoogvliet Holland
stuckyi mutant (Huntington BG)
stuckyi
subspicata
suffruticosa (Smoley, sold as powellii)
transvaalensis (invalid name)
varians
zeylanica (Tom Schultz, Minnesota)
zeylanica
SANSEVIERIA HYBRIDS
'Alva' Koko Crater, Hawaii (trifasciata x deserti) (AW)
'Fernwood' (grandicuspis x suffruticosa)
'Leopard Bat' (trifasciata x fischeri/singularis) (AW)
'Leopard Bat' (trifasciata x fischeri/singularis) (MS)
'Leopard Bat' (trifasciata x fischeri/singularis) (HBG 12101)
'Leopard Bat' (trifasciata x fischeri/singularis) (Tom Schultz)
'Old Man Silver' (trifasciata x deserti??)
'Screen Door' (trifasciata x deserti??)
'Stella'
'Stellette'
USDA 19522 trifasciata x deserti (AW)
USDA 19537 trifasciata x deserti (AW) (in ground, corner of

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[michael brodt]

Russ,

If you ever have a moment I'd be curious to see photos of you masai, and transvaalensis.

:)
-Michael Brodt

hoyakins <***@dslextreme.com> wrote: ---Thanks Russ, now I know what I have and don't need to make up a
list. I'll just add a few and it will be done. I have pretty much
the same as you, Norma

Post by Bluesea
Russ Hammer As oPeoples, here's my unofficial list of Sans

species. It is not up to date, I have some to add and probably a
few to delete, but at least I finally got it put into Word. Still
working on Trifasciata list, and Unidentified Species list, will
post when they're done.

Post by Bluesea
Russ
Russ

Hammer
As of 6/06

Post by Bluesea
PO Box 471213
Lake Monroe FL 32747
Cell 407-753-5763
SANSEVIERIA SPECIES
aethiopica
aethiopica HBG 60915
aethiopica Lav 12/90 +/- east of Patensie Cp (Arias, USF 10/03)
angustiflora
arborescens (see bagamoyensis)
bacularis = sulcata (Huntington BG 9/99)
bacularis = sulcata HBG 61170 (Huntington BG)
bacularis = sulcata (Hollygate Nursery, England) (Grigsby 36-

78) (Huntington BG 9/99)

Post by Bluesea
bagamoyensis = arborescens Copenhagen Botanic Garden, Denmark (Lone Kofod, Denmark)
bella
canaliculata Dwarf
c.f. caulescens Lav & Bleck 4/81 Bura, Kenya (Arias, USF 10/03)
coccina Ed Eby, Koko Crater
conspicua (Smoley, 1997)
cylindrica v. cylindrica
cylindrica v. patula 7/3/91 FW (AW)
dawei EnSp Uganda (AW) Alice says 'Grows 4 ft tall'
deserti HBG 61032 Robson (6/99)
deserti (my ID: D-1)
deserti hybrid F-1 (Geri Prall, Cape Coral FL, USF palm vendor)
Koko - EE's Koko (AW)
ehrenbergii (AW)
erythraea = schweinfurthii
fasciata JD.GJ
fasciata EnSp
fischeri (singularis) (Arias USF 9/01)
fischeri (singularis) HBG 46040
francissii (sp. FKH 424)
fruticosa (ID questionable) Linden 84-618C HBG 55141

(Huntington BG 9/99)

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gracilis Pfennig's Form (Al Laius UK, 9/02)
aff. Gracilis
grandicuspis USDA 19726 (received as 'name questionable)
grandis Major Form (AW)
grandis v. rosea (AW) = subspicata
guineensis (metallica) EnSp
guineensis (metallica) 'Manolyn' (USF 2003)
guineensis (metallica) 'San Remo' (AW) received as 'Futura Aurea'
guineensis (metallica) 'Variegata' or 'White Striped Giant'
hallii
hallii (Huntington BG 9/99)
hallii (Huntington BG) Possibly 'Blue Bat'.
c.f. hallii D. McMurtry Zimbabwe N. of Lundi River, S. of

Masvingo (Arias USF 10/03)
(Huntington BG 9/99)

Post by Bluesea
intermedia
intermedia HBG 61071
javanica (USF, sold by C&SS for a woman collector in Wisconsin, summer 2000)
SANSEVIERIA SPECIES page

2 As
of 6/06

Post by Bluesea
javanica 'Striated' (Laius?? from Norma Lewis, N. Hollywood, CA)
kirkii v. kirkii
kirkii v. pulchra
kirkii v. pulchra x cylindrica v. cylindrica (AW)
kirkii v. pulchra 'Coppertone' (old note: USDA M19521 more

intense color form, is this the same plant?)

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liberica Koko (AW)
longiflora Open pollinated, seed ex Hawaii (Ed Eby?) (ID not positive, dropped label)
macrophylla GC 78-125 F/C Brian Mason Natal
masai
masoniana 'Mason Congo'
masoniana 'Mason Congo' GC 78-133
metallica Koko Ed Eby
nilotica v. obscura (received as 'obscura near Nilotica', AW)

9/28/82 BG.AB.ED ID by D.Grigsby

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parva (AW)
parva 'Wide Leaf' ES 2711 Ernest Specks, Germany
parva 'Wide Leaf' (Faye Underwood, Norfolk VA 9/00) Label

said 'parva with groove'.

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parva 'Wide Leaf' (Herman Weitkamp, Tenerife, Spain 5/04)
patens
pearsonii UCD B73-064 Ronin 9259 Dramboland, S. Africa HBG

61036 (10/00, prob Huntington)

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pinguicula
raffillii
robusta (Herman Weitkamp, Tenerife, Spain 5/04)
roxburghiana
roxburghiana 'Zebra Fountain' (Huntington BG)
roxburghiana (Dr. Ram Gandi, India)
raffillii (AW)
raffillii EnSp AB.ED (Huntington BG)
rhodesiana
senegalensis
senegambica
splendens Hoogvliet Holland
stuckyi mutant (Huntington BG)
stuckyi
subspicata
suffruticosa (Smoley, sold as powellii)
transvaalensis (invalid name)
varians
zeylanica (Tom Schultz, Minnesota)
zeylanica
SANSEVIERIA HYBRIDS
'Alva' Koko Crater, Hawaii (trifasciata x deserti) (AW)
'Fernwood' (grandicuspis x suffruticosa)
'Leopard Bat' (trifasciata x fischeri/singularis) (AW)
'Leopard Bat' (trifasciata x fischeri/singularis) (MS)
'Leopard Bat' (trifasciata x fischeri/singularis) (HBG 12101)
'Leopard Bat' (trifasciata x fischeri/singularis) (Tom Schultz)
'Old Man Silver' (trifasciata x deserti??)
'Screen Door' (trifasciata x deserti??)
'Stella'
'Stellette'
USDA 19522 trifasciata x deserti (AW)
USDA 19537 trifasciata x deserti (AW) (in ground, corner of

shadehouse)
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[Bluesea]

OK Michael, I'll get my camera and post in awhile. The name transvaalensis, as you know, is invalid, so I
don't know what this really is. Mine have not fared well after winter, and I may be pressed to even find one alive. The 'Masai looks a lot like guineensis/metallica to me.
Russ

----- Original Message -----
From: michael brodt
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 1:51 PM
Subject: Re: [Sansevierias] Re: Sansevieria List Species/Hybrids


Russ,

If you ever have a moment I'd be curious to see photos of you masai, and transvaalensis.

:)
-Michael Brodt

hoyakins <***@dslextreme.com> wrote:

---Thanks Russ, now I know what I have and don't need to make up a
list. I'll just add a few and it will be done. I have pretty much
the same as you, Norma

Post by Bluesea
Russ Hammer As oPeoples, here's my unofficial list of Sans

species. It is not up to date, I have some to add and probably a
few to delete, but at least I finally got it put into Word. Still
working on Trifasciata list, and Unidentified Species list, will
post when they're done.

Post by Bluesea
Russ
Russ

Hammer
As of 6/06

Post by Bluesea
PO Box 471213
Lake Monroe FL 32747
Cell 407-753-5763
SANSEVIERIA SPECIES
aethiopica
aethiopica HBG 60915
aethiopica Lav 12/90 +/- east of Patensie Cp (Arias, USF 10/03)
angustiflora
arborescens (see bagamoyensis)
bacularis = sulcata (Huntington BG 9/99)
bacularis = sulcata HBG 61170 (Huntington BG)
bacularis = sulcata (Hollygate Nursery, England) (Grigsby 36-

78) (Huntington BG 9/99)

Post by Bluesea
bagamoyensis = arborescens Copenhagen Botanic Garden, Denmark

(Lone Kofod, Denmark)

Post by Bluesea
bella
canaliculata Dwarf
c.f. caulescens Lav & Bleck 4/81 Bura, Kenya (Arias, USF 10/03)
coccina Ed Eby, Koko Crater
conspicua (Smoley, 1997)
cylindrica v. cylindrica
cylindrica v. patula 7/3/91 FW (AW)
dawei EnSp Uganda (AW) Alice says 'Grows 4 ft tall'
deserti HBG 61032 Robson (6/99)
deserti (my ID: D-1)
deserti hybrid F-1 (Geri Prall, Cape Coral FL, USF palm vendor)
Koko - EE's Koko (AW)
ehrenbergii (AW)
erythraea = schweinfurthii
fasciata JD.GJ
fasciata EnSp
fischeri (singularis) (Arias USF 9/01)
fischeri (singularis) HBG 46040
francissii (sp. FKH 424)
fruticosa (ID questionable) Linden 84-618C HBG 55141

(Huntington BG 9/99)

Post by Bluesea
gracilis Pfennig's Form (Al Laius UK, 9/02)
aff. Gracilis
grandicuspis USDA 19726 (received as 'name questionable)
grandis Major Form (AW)
grandis v. rosea (AW) = subspicata
guineensis (metallica) EnSp
guineensis (metallica) 'Manolyn' (USF 2003)
guineensis (metallica) 'San Remo' (AW) received as 'Futura Aurea'
guineensis (metallica) 'Variegata' or 'White Striped Giant'
hallii
hallii (Huntington BG 9/99)
hallii (Huntington BG) Possibly 'Blue Bat'.
c.f. hallii D. McMurtry Zimbabwe N. of Lundi River, S. of

Masvingo (Arias USF 10/03)
(Huntington BG 9/99)

Post by Bluesea
intermedia
intermedia HBG 61071
javanica (USF, sold by C&SS for a woman collector in Wisconsin,

summer 2000)

Post by Bluesea
SANSEVIERIA SPECIES page

2 As
of 6/06

Post by Bluesea
javanica 'Striated' (Laius?? from Norma Lewis, N. Hollywood, CA)
kirkii v. kirkii
kirkii v. pulchra
kirkii v. pulchra x cylindrica v. cylindrica (AW)
kirkii v. pulchra 'Coppertone' (old note: USDA M19521 more

intense color form, is this the same plant?)

Post by Bluesea
liberica Koko (AW)
longiflora Open pollinated, seed ex Hawaii (Ed Eby?) (ID not

positive, dropped label)

Post by Bluesea
macrophylla GC 78-125 F/C Brian Mason Natal
masai
masoniana 'Mason Congo'
masoniana 'Mason Congo' GC 78-133
metallica Koko Ed Eby
nilotica v. obscura (received as 'obscura near Nilotica', AW)

9/28/82 BG.AB.ED ID by D.Grigsby

Post by Bluesea
parva (AW)
parva 'Wide Leaf' ES 2711 Ernest Specks, Germany
parva 'Wide Leaf' (Faye Underwood, Norfolk VA 9/00) Label

said 'parva with groove'.

Post by Bluesea
parva 'Wide Leaf' (Herman Weitkamp, Tenerife, Spain 5/04)
patens
pearsonii UCD B73-064 Ronin 9259 Dramboland, S. Africa HBG

61036 (10/00, prob Huntington)

Post by Bluesea
pinguicula
raffillii
robusta (Herman Weitkamp, Tenerife, Spain 5/04)
roxburghiana
roxburghiana 'Zebra Fountain' (Huntington BG)
roxburghiana (Dr. Ram Gandi, India)
raffillii (AW)
raffillii EnSp AB.ED (Huntington BG)
rhodesiana
senegalensis
senegambica
splendens Hoogvliet Holland
stuckyi mutant (Huntington BG)
stuckyi
subspicata
suffruticosa (Smoley, sold as powellii)
transvaalensis (invalid name)
varians
zeylanica (Tom Schultz, Minnesota)
zeylanica
SANSEVIERIA HYBRIDS
'Alva' Koko Crater, Hawaii (trifasciata x deserti) (AW)
'Fernwood' (grandicuspis x suffruticosa)
'Leopard Bat' (trifasciata x fischeri/singularis) (AW)
'Leopard Bat' (trifasciata x fischeri/singularis) (MS)
'Leopard Bat' (trifasciata x fischeri/singularis) (HBG 12101)
'Leopard Bat' (trifasciata x fischeri/singularis) (Tom Schultz)
'Old Man Silver' (trifasciata x deserti??)
'Screen Door' (trifasciata x deserti??)
'Stella'
'Stellette'
USDA 19522 trifasciata x deserti (AW)
USDA 19537 trifasciata x deserti (AW) (in ground, corner of

shadehouse)

[Bluesea]

Michael, I couldn't find masai or transvaalensis in the few minutes I had to look for them. I'll run them down
tomorrow, hopefully, and post a pic.

Russ

[Joe Flaherty]

Norma,

I was thinking about your talk. One thing that a lady did in Tennessee was ask
everyone to bring in a couple of their own representitive of that group of
plants. That way it was also a show and tell lecture. It was alot of fun to
see everyone else's plants.

Dale's club does a fun thing. Every year they all get a plant at their
Christmas meeting/dinner. Then the next year everyone brings their plant back
to compare. I remember one year Dale said that a few people brought back dead
plants.

joe

------ Original Message ------
Received: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 06:51:35 PM CDT
From: "Norma L" <***@dslextreme.com>
To: <***@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [Sansevierias] Norma's talk

Okay, it looks like I covered all my bases, thanks all for helping me with
the suggestions. Norma





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Post by Michael LaForest
Norma,
I was thinking about your talk. One thing that a lady did in Tennessee was ask
everyone to bring in a couple of their own representative of that group of
plants. That way it was also a show and tell lecture. It was a lot of fun to
see everyone else's plants.

There is something that I do. Roger likes to introduce me, he says,
Ed McMahon used to warm up the crowd for Johnny Carson. Roger is a
very good soft spoken public speaker. he often begins "Hello, I am
MISTER Hermine"...but if you cannot get somebody to introduce you,
that's OK too, i once got lost, arrived late and came bursting into
the room and yelled
I HOPE I AM NOT TOO LATE TO HEAR MYSELF SPEAK!

and that worked. the other thing I do is look into the crowd for the
people who start nodding off.... I try to speak to the folks who are
dead with boredom, who are there only because a spouse is there. This
UPS the level of projected excitement.

Norma, when you talk, you project a great kindness and a dedication
and also you are very very cute. you twinkle. I only wish I could be
there to hear you and i kind of hope somebody tapes the meeting.

hermine



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