Discussion:
Photo måndag ID
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Eva M I
2009-05-25 19:00:47 UTC
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Yes! Photo måndag. (monday)



I think this Futura need a proper name. Not much of crossbanding and very dark green, yellow edges.





Eva



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Norma - Crasulady2
2009-05-25 19:35:27 UTC
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Could it be San. 'Futura Mandag.' If has it been sold with that name for about 10 years that I know of in this country. It is a pretty plant and grows easy and well. I just found my
'Robusta' that I received from the Huntington Gardens, know I know why they gave it that name. Norma
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Yes! Photo måndag. (monday)

I think this Futura need a proper name. Not much of crossbanding and very dark green, yellow edges.


Eva
Eva M I
2009-05-25 19:47:39 UTC
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Sorry.... but this time with pics



To: ***@yahoogroups.com
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Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 19:00:47 +0000
Subject: [Sansevierias] Photo måndag ID







Yes! Photo måndag. (monday)

I think this Futura need a proper name. Not much of crossbanding and very dark green, yellow edges.


Eva




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Michael LaForest
2009-05-25 20:37:47 UTC
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Eva,
This is a beautiful futura! I bought it named as 'Black Gold', but I
do not trust that name. It's coloration is the same as S. t.
compacta, but the growth pattern is that of Futura. It pups freely
making a wonderful pot specimen.
M.

On May 25, 2009, at 3:47 PM, Eva M I wrote:

> [Attachment(s) from Eva M I included below]
>
> Sorry.... but this time with pics
>
> To: ***@yahoogroups.com
> From: ***@hotmail.com
> Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 19:00:47 +0000
> Subject: [Sansevierias] Photo måndag ID
>
>
> futura que 003.JPG
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Norma - Crasulady2
2009-05-25 20:51:29 UTC
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I just gave a plant away, that has the label 'Black Gold' = 'Compacta' I think it is right, I am not changing the label which it came with. Norma
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Eva,

This is a beautiful futura! I bought it named as 'Black Gold', but I do not trust that name. It's coloration is the same as S. t. compacta, but the growth pattern is that of Futura. It pups freely making a wonderful pot specimen.
M.


On May 25, 2009, at 3:47 PM, Eva M I wrote:


[Attachment(s) from Eva M I included below]

Sorry.... but this time with pics


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Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 19:00:47 +0000
Subject: [Sansevierias] Photo måndag ID





futura que 003.JPG
hermine
2009-05-25 21:23:22 UTC
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At 01:51 PM 5/25/2009, you wrote:


>I just gave a plant away, that has the label 'Black Gold' =
>'Compacta' I think it is right, I am not changing the label
>which it came with. Norma

black gold is named after crude petroleum and is very dark green and
HAS NO GOLD! maybe not the best name for this plant, but it IS the name.

hermine
Norma - Crasulady2
2009-05-25 22:44:56 UTC
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Then mine was mislabeled when I received the plant, I will remove the name. Norma
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At 01:51 PM 5/25/2009, you wrote:




I just gave a plant away, that has the label 'Black Gold' = 'Compacta' I think it is right, I am not changing the label which it came with. Norma

black gold is named after crude petroleum and is very dark green and HAS NO GOLD! maybe not the best name for this plant, but it IS the name.

hermine
Eva M I
2009-05-25 21:24:17 UTC
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Mike!



Than you got more names than I, I got just: sansevieria.



What about "compact future"? :-)



Eva







To: ***@yahoogroups.com
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Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 16:37:47 -0400
Subject: Re: [Sansevierias] Photo måndag ID PICS!







Eva,
This is a beautiful futura! I bought it named as 'Black Gold', but I do not trust that name. It's coloration is the same as S. t. compacta, but the growth pattern is that of Futura. It pups freely making a wonderful pot specimen.
M.



On May 25, 2009, at 3:47 PM, Eva M I wrote:
[Attachment(s) from Eva M I included below]

Sorry.... but this time with pics



To: ***@yahoogroups.com
From: ***@hotmail.com
Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 19:00:47 +0000
Subject: [Sansevierias] Photo måndag ID










futura que 003.JPG











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Michael LaForest
2009-05-26 01:49:24 UTC
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Attached is a picture of the plant I bought as 'Black Gold'. I am
NOT saying it is Black Gold'. In fact, I'm quite sure it is NOT BG.
For one thing, the plant in my picture is a Futura, and the Black
Gold I am familiar with is a normal-sized trifasciata.

For my part, I think this Futura needs a name that has nothing to do
with BG, or compacta, which would be much too confusing. Maybe
something like, S. t. Futura 'Emerald fire'. I'm not good at names.
M.

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On May 25, 2009, at 5:24 PM, Eva M I wrote:
>
> Mike!
>
> Than you got more names than I, I got just: sansevieria.
> What about "compact future"? :-)
>
> Eva
> To: ***@yahoogroups.com
> From: ***@comcast.net
> Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 16:37:47 -0400
> Subject: Re: [Sansevierias] Photo måndag ID PICS!
>
>
>
> Eva,
> This is a beautiful futura! I bought it named as 'Black Gold', but
> I do not trust that name. It's coloration is the same as S. t.
> compacta, but the growth pattern is that of Futura. It pups freely
> making a wonderful pot specimen.
> M.
Eva M I
2009-05-26 05:56:23 UTC
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To: ***@yahoogroups.com
From: ***@comcast.net
Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 21:49:24 -0400
Subject: Re: [Sansevierias] Photo måndag ID PICS!

Attached is a picture of the plant I bought as 'Black Gold'. I am NOT saying it is Black Gold'. In fact, I'm quite sure it is NOT BG.
For one thing, the plant in my picture is a Futura, and the Black Gold I am familiar with is a normal-sized trifasciata.


For my part, I think this Futura needs a name that has nothing to do with BG, or compacta, which would be much too confusing. Maybe something like, S. t. Futura 'Emerald fire'. I'm not good at names.
M.





On May 25, 2009, at 5:24 PM, Eva M I wrote:

Mike!

Than you got more names than I, I got just: sansevieria.
What about "compact future"? :-)

Eva


To: ***@yahoogroups.com
From: ***@comcast.net
Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 16:37:47 -0400
Subject: Re: [Sansevierias] Photo måndag ID PICS!






Eva,
This is a beautiful futura! I bought it named as 'Black Gold', but I do not trust that name. It's coloration is the same as S. t. compacta, but the growth pattern is that of Futura. It pups freely making a wonderful pot specimen.
M.
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Norma - Crasulady2
2009-05-26 22:12:24 UTC
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Several plants that look like that have two names, the leaves are quite wide, possibly it could be. Ask Hermine of Michael senior, middle, or junior. Dale seems to know them now, Dale please respond.
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Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 10:56 PM
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Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 21:49:24 -0400
Subject: Re: [Sansevierias] Photo måndag ID PICS!

Attached is a picture of the plant I bought as 'Black Gold'. I am NOT saying it is Black Gold'. In fact, I'm quite sure it is NOT BG.
For one thing, the plant in my picture is a Futura, and the Black Gold I am familiar with is a normal-sized trifasciata.


For my part, I think this Futura needs a name that has nothing to do with BG, or compacta, which would be much too confusing. Maybe something like, S. t. Futura 'Emerald fire'. I'm not good at names.
M.




On May 25, 2009, at 5:24 PM, Eva M I wrote:

Mike!

Than you got more names than I, I got just: sansevieria.
What about "compact future"? :-)

Eva

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To: ***@yahoogroups.com
From: ***@comcast.net
Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 16:37:47 -0400
Subject: Re: [Sansevierias] Photo måndag ID PICS!




Eva,
This is a beautiful futura! I bought it named as 'Black Gold', but I do not trust that name. It's coloration is the same as S. t. compacta, but the growth pattern is that of Futura. It pups freely making a wonderful pot specimen.
M.
Dale La Forest
2009-05-26 23:12:55 UTC
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Norma, I'm way out of my league when it comes to trifasciata types. I did suggest it might be S. t. 'Gold Flame' which I think is a futura type with gold edges, but in one of the ISS Journals there is mention of a S. t. argentea sport that Bob Smoley calls - heck I forget - and I'm to lazy to look it up.
Dale

----- Original Message -----
From: Norma - Crasulady2
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Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 3:12 PM
Subject: Re: [Sansevierias] Photo måndag ID PICS!



Several plants that look like that have two names, the leaves are quite wide, possibly it could be. Ask Hermine of Michael senior, middle, or junior. Dale seems to know them now, Dale please respond.

----- Original Message -----
From: Eva M I
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Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 10:56 PM
Subject: RE: [Sansevierias] Photo måndag ID PICS!







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Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 21:49:24 -0400
Subject: Re: [Sansevierias] Photo måndag ID PICS!

Attached is a picture of the plant I bought as 'Black Gold'. I am NOT saying it is Black Gold'. In fact, I'm quite sure it is NOT BG.
For one thing, the plant in my picture is a Futura, and the Black Gold I am familiar with is a normal-sized trifasciata.


For my part, I think this Futura needs a name that has nothing to do with BG, or compacta, which would be much too confusing. Maybe something like, S. t. Futura 'Emerald fire'. I'm not good at names.
M.




On May 25, 2009, at 5:24 PM, Eva M I wrote:

Mike!

Than you got more names than I, I got just: sansevieria.
What about "compact future"? :-)

Eva

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Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 16:37:47 -0400
Subject: Re: [Sansevierias] Photo måndag ID PICS!




Eva,
This is a beautiful futura! I bought it named as 'Black Gold', but I do not trust that name. It's coloration is the same as S. t. compacta, but the growth pattern is that of Futura. It pups freely making a wonderful pot specimen.
M.


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Norma - Crasulady2
2009-05-27 00:02:35 UTC
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We should all be careful when we put it in writing, and I am guilty of this as well, and I still you permission to correct my spelling.
What would be a good thing for you to do, is look up the average high and low where this plants grow naturally. That way we don't need to guess, I don't know if this is possible. I just wish people who write books and articles regarding these plants would give us this information as well as the soil types they grown in. How much rain they get per year in the locality found. Norma
----- Original Message -----
From: Dale La Forest
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Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 4:12 PM
Subject: Re: [Sansevierias] Photo måndag ID PICS!






Norma, I'm way out of my league when it comes to trifasciata types. I did suggest it might be S. t. 'Gold Flame' which I think is a futura type with gold edges, but in one of the ISS Journals there is mention of a S. t. argentea sport that Bob Smoley calls - heck I forget - and I'm to lazy to look it up.
Dale

----- Original Message -----
From: Norma - Crasulady2
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 3:12 PM
Subject: Re: [Sansevierias] Photo måndag ID PICS!



Several plants that look like that have two names, the leaves are quite wide, possibly it could be. Ask Hermine of Michael senior, middle, or junior. Dale seems to know them now, Dale please respond.

----- Original Message -----
From: Eva M I
To: svärmordtungor
Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 10:56 PM
Subject: RE: [Sansevierias] Photo måndag ID PICS!







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To: ***@yahoogroups.com
From: ***@comcast.net
Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 21:49:24 -0400
Subject: Re: [Sansevierias] Photo måndag ID PICS!

Attached is a picture of the plant I bought as 'Black Gold'. I am NOT saying it is Black Gold'. In fact, I'm quite sure it is NOT BG.
For one thing, the plant in my picture is a Futura, and the Black Gold I am familiar with is a normal-sized trifasciata.


For my part, I think this Futura needs a name that has nothing to do with BG, or compacta, which would be much too confusing. Maybe something like, S. t. Futura 'Emerald fire'. I'm not good at names.
M.




On May 25, 2009, at 5:24 PM, Eva M I wrote:

Mike!

Than you got more names than I, I got just: sansevieria.
What about "compact future"? :-)

Eva

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To: ***@yahoogroups.com
From: ***@comcast.net
Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 16:37:47 -0400
Subject: Re: [Sansevierias] Photo måndag ID PICS!




Eva,
This is a beautiful futura! I bought it named as 'Black Gold', but I do not trust that name. It's coloration is the same as S. t. compacta, but the growth pattern is that of Futura. It pups freely making a wonderful pot specimen.
M.


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hermine
2009-05-27 03:48:14 UTC
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At 05:02 PM 5/26/2009, you wrote:


>We should all be careful when we put it in writing, and I am guilty
>of this as well, and I still you permission to correct my spelling.
>What would be a good thing for you to do, is look up the average
>high and low where this plants grow naturally. That way we don't
>need to guess, I don't know if this is possible. I just wish people
>who write books and articles regarding these plants would give us
>this information as well as the soil types they grown in. How much
>rain they get per year in the locality found. Norma

if we had this information and actually used it, gardening, stuff
would be a lot better, for sure. Paul Hutchinson used to say
something like this, actually.

hermine
hermine
2009-05-27 03:06:46 UTC
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At 04:12 PM 5/26/2009, you wrote:


>Norma, I'm way out of my league when it comes to trifasciata
>types. I did suggest it might be S. t. 'Gold Flame' which I think
>is a futura type with gold edges,


Gold flame has wonderful irregular streaks of gold like a flameout
paintjob on a custom car.

>but in one of the ISS Journals there is mention of a S. t. argentea
>sport that Bob Smoley calls - heck I forget - and I'm to lazy to look it up.


go look it up and get back to us.

herm
Dale La Forest
2009-05-27 15:26:21 UTC
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Since Hermine asked. This is a "futura" variety that I thought might be similar to the one Mike LaForest asked about. I know it's in the Journals, but I'm too lazy to look it up AGAIN.
Dale
http://www.bobsmoleys.com/connois.html
070093 Sansevieria t. l. "Becky" - This is a new plant cultivar NEVER BEFORE OFFERED. This plant is named after my daughter and shortly will be described in the Sansevieria Journal. It was discovered as a sport and has lovely markings. Offered here are large plants for six inch pots. The picture does not do this plant justice as it is truly a beautiful plant.


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Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 8:06 PM
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At 04:12 PM 5/26/2009, you wrote:




Norma, I'm way out of my league when it comes to trifasciata types. I did suggest it might be S. t. 'Gold Flame' which I think is a futura type with gold edges,


Gold flame has wonderful irregular streaks of gold like a flameout paintjob on a custom car.


but in one of the ISS Journals there is mention of a S. t. argentea sport that Bob Smoley calls - heck I forget - and I'm to lazy to look it up.


go look it up and get back to us.

herm
yayan pribadi
2009-05-27 15:38:51 UTC
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dear Dale

I've read journal ISS no 4, p4  it called S.t. 'Laurentii Striolated".
Full size , not futura size.

yayan - bandung  - indonesia

 



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Since Hermine asked.  This is a "futura" variety that I thought might be similar to the one Mike LaForest asked about. I know it's in the Journals, but I'm too lazy to look it up AGAIN.
Dale
http://www.bobsmole ys.com/connois. html
070093 Sansevieria t. l. “Becky” – This is a new plant cultivar NEVER BEFORE OFFERED. This plant is named after my daughter and shortly will be described in the Sansevieria Journal. It was discovered as a sport and has lovely markings. Offered here are large plants for six inch pots. The picture does not do this plant justice as it is truly a beautiful plant.
 
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From: hermine
To: Sansevierias@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 8:06 PM
Subject: Re: [Sansevierias] Photo måndag ID PICS!

At 04:12 PM 5/26/2009, you wrote:



Norma, I'm way out of my league when it comes to trifasciata types.  I did suggest it might be S. t. 'Gold Flame' which I think is a futura type with gold edges,

Gold flame has wonderful irregular streaks of gold like a flameout paintjob on a custom car.


but in one of the ISS Journals there is mention of a S. t. argentea sport that Bob Smoley calls - heck I forget - and I'm to lazy to look it up.

go look it up and get back to us.

herm




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Michael LaForest
2009-05-27 15:54:48 UTC
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Yes Yayan!
'Becky' is not a Futura. Carl, do you find 'Becky' to be a stable form?
Some of you might remember' Herman' who posted 12 different forms of
Laurentii leaf patterns that have occurred in his Sans garden.

When you are a nursery and a grower of plants for sale, you can
create new names at will, and they can become the 'gospel'. I am
thinking of what happened with Lillian True and Tenzan, for instance.
M.

On May 27, 2009, at 11:38 AM, yayan pribadi wrote:

>
>
> dear Dale
>
> I've read journal ISS no 4, p4 it called S.t. 'Laurentii Striolated".
> Full size , not futura size.
>
> yayan - bandung - indonesia
>
>
>
> Dari: Dale La Forest <***@hotmail.com>
> Kepada: ***@yahoogroups.com
> Terkirim: Rabu, 27 Mei, 2009 22:26:21
> Topik: [Sansevierias] S. t. 'Becky'
>
>
> Since Hermine asked. This is a "futura" variety that I thought
> might be similar to the one Mike LaForest asked about. I know it's
> in the Journals, but I'm too lazy to look it up AGAIN.
> Dale
> http://www.bobsmole ys.com/connois. html
> 070093 Sansevieria t. l. “Becky” – This is a new plant
> cultivar NEVER BEFORE OFFERED. This plant is named after my
> daughter and shortly will be described in the Sansevieria Journal.
> It was discovered as a sport and has lovely markings. Offered here
> are large plants for six inch pots. The picture does not do this
> plant justice as it is truly a beautiful plant.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: hermine
> To: Sansevierias@ yahoogroups. com
> Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 8:06 PM
> Subject: Re: [Sansevierias] Photo måndag ID PICS!
>
> At 04:12 PM 5/26/2009, you wrote:
>
>
>
>> Norma, I'm way out of my league when it comes to trifasciata
>> types. I did suggest it might be S. t. 'Gold Flame' which I think
>> is a futura type with gold edges,
>
>
> Gold flame has wonderful irregular streaks of gold like a flameout
> paintjob on a custom car.
>
>> but in one of the ISS Journals there is mention of a S. t.
>> argentea sport that Bob Smoley calls - heck I forget - and I'm to
>> lazy to look it up.
>
>
> go look it up and get back to us.
>
> herm
>
>
> Yahoo! Mail Sekarang Lebih Cepat dan Lebih Bersih. Rasakan bedanya!
>
>
Scott in Long Beach
2009-05-27 21:53:55 UTC
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There is a full-sized S. t. 'Laurentii Striolated' (as Yayan stated,
ISS #4, p. 4 - note the two swapped photo captions!) and there is a
Futura-sized S. t. 'Futura Striolated' (ISS #6, p. 6).
There's also the full-sized S. t. 'Medio Picta' (Juan's first book, p.
50) without the yellow edges.
The midline yellow streaks of S. t. 'Laurentii Striolated' and S. t.
'Futura Striolated' and S. t. 'Medio Picta', as I think someone said
several posts back, are in layer III, and these are periclinal forms.
The arrangement is WGW for S. t. 'Laurentii Striolated' and S. t.
'Futura Striolated', and GGW for S. t. 'Medio Picta'.
I haven't seen S. t. 'Becky' in the ISS Journal yet, but it's growing
like a weed here, and it's a different animal. It's way taller than
Futura. The yellow streaking looks mericlinal to me, and it looks like
the streaks are on the outside of the leaf, in layer I. Here's a photo
with back-lighting to show the difference in the midline stripes of
'Becky' and 'Futura Striolated' (you can also see that the yellow edge
stripes of 'Futura Striolated' tend to fade as the leaf ages).

--Scott
Long Beach, California, USA (in Los Angeles County)



On May 27, 2009, at 8:54 AM, Michael LaForest wrote:

>
>
> Yes Yayan!
> 'Becky' is not a Futura. Carl, do you find 'Becky' to be a stable
> form?
> Some of you might remember' Herman' who posted 12 different forms of
> Laurentii leaf patterns that have occurred in his Sans garden.
>
> When you are a nursery and a grower of plants for sale, you can
> create new names at will, and they can become the 'gospel'. I am
> thinking of what happened with Lillian True and Tenzan, for instance.
> M.
>
> On May 27, 2009, at 11:38 AM, yayan pribadi wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> dear Dale
>>
>> I've read journal ISS no 4, p4 it called S.t. 'Laurentii
>> Striolated".
>> Full size , not futura size.
>>
>> yayan - bandung - indonesia
>>
>>
>>
>> Dari: Dale La Forest <***@hotmail.com>
>> Kepada: ***@yahoogroups.com
>> Terkirim: Rabu, 27 Mei, 2009 22:26:21
>> Topik: [Sansevierias] S. t. 'Becky'
>>
>>
>> Since Hermine asked. This is a "futura" variety that I thought
>> might be similar to the one Mike LaForest asked about. I know it's
>> in the Journals, but I'm too lazy to look it up AGAIN.
>> Dale
>> http://www.bobsmole ys.com/connois. html
>> 070093 Sansevieria t. l. “Becky” – This is a new plant cultivar
>> NEVER BEFORE OFFERED. This plant is named after my daughter and
>> shortly will be described in the Sansevieria Journal. It was
>> discovered as a sport and has lovely markings. Offered here are
>> large plants for six inch pots. The picture does not do this plant
>> justice as it is truly a beautiful plant.
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: hermine
>> To: Sansevierias@ yahoogroups. com
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 8:06 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Sansevierias] Photo måndag ID PICS!
>>
>> At 04:12 PM 5/26/2009, you wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> Norma, I'm way out of my league when it comes to trifasciata
>>> types. I did suggest it might be S. t. 'Gold Flame' which I think
>>> is a futura type with gold edges,
>>
>>
>> Gold flame has wonderful irregular streaks of gold like a flameout
>> paintjob on a custom car.
>>
>>> but in one of the ISS Journals there is mention of a S. t.
>>> argentea sport that Bob Smoley calls - heck I forget - and I'm to
>>> lazy to look it up.
>>
>>
>> go look it up and get back to us.
>>
>> herm
>>
>>
>> Yahoo! Mail Sekarang Lebih Cepat dan Lebih Bersih. Rasakan bedanya!
>>
>
>
>
>
indra susandi
2009-05-27 15:57:11 UTC
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S.t. 'Becky' is a new cultivar name but not registered yet. It was introduced by Bob, the cultivar's name honored his daughter's name Becky. CMIIW!!!
It's different with S. t. 'Laurentii Striolated".
For me, Becky's marking close with S. t. 'Herminia'

INDRA






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Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 8:38:51 AM
Subject: Bls: [Sansevierias] S. t. 'Becky'





dear Dale

I've read journal ISS no 4, p4 it called S.t. 'Laurentii Striolated".
Full size , not futura size.

yayan - bandung - indonesia





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Terkirim: Rabu, 27 Mei, 2009 22:26:21
Topik: [Sansevierias] S. t. 'Becky'


Since Hermine asked. This is a "futura" variety that I thought might be similar to the one Mike LaForest asked about. I know it's in the Journals, but I'm too lazy to look it up AGAIN.
Dale
http://www.bobsmole ys.com/connois. html
070093 Sansevieria t. l. “Beckyâ€ᅵ – This is a new plant cultivar NEVER BEFORE OFFERED. This plant is named after my daughter and shortly will be described in the Sansevieria Journal. It was discovered as a sport and has lovely markings. Offered here are large plants for six inch pots. The picture does not do this plant justice as it is truly a beautiful plant.

----- Original Message -----
From: hermine
To: Sansevierias@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 8:06 PM
Subject: Re: [Sansevierias] Photo måndag ID PICS!

At 04:12 PM 5/26/2009, you wrote:



Norma, I'm way out of my league when it comes to trifasciata types. I did suggest it might be S. t. 'Gold Flame' which I think is a futura type with gold edges,

Gold flame has wonderful irregular streaks of gold like a flameout paintjob on a custom car.


but in one of the ISS Journals there is mention of a S. t. argentea sport that Bob Smoley calls - heck I forget - and I'm to lazy to look it up.

go look it up and get back to us.

herm

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Michael LaForest
2009-05-27 16:21:25 UTC
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Earlier I mentioned Herman's posting of 12 different leaf patterns
for the common S.t. 'Laurentii'. I misremembered. There were 30
different patterns that he posted. I repost Herman's pictures below.
Becky looks to be # 31, or #32.
M.

ᅩ





ᅩᅩᅩ
On May 27, 2009, at 11:57 AM, indra susandi wrote:

>
>
> S.t. 'Becky' is a new cultivar name but not registered yet. It was
> introduced by Bob, the cultivar's name honored his daughter's name
> Becky. CMIIW!!!
> It's different with S. t. 'Laurentii Striolated".
> For me, Becky's marking close with S. t. 'Herminia'
>
> INDRA
>
>
>
> From: yayan pribadi <***@yahoo.com>
> To: ***@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 8:38:51 AM
> Subject: Bls: [Sansevierias] S. t. 'Becky'
>
>
> dear Dale
>
> I've read journal ISS no 4, p4 it called S.t. 'Laurentii Striolated".
> Full size , not futura size.
>
> yayan - bandung - indonesia
>
>
>
> Dari: Dale La Forest <***@hotmail. com>
> Kepada: Sansevierias@ yahoogroups. com
> Terkirim: Rabu, 27 Mei, 2009 22:26:21
> Topik: [Sansevierias] S. t. 'Becky'
>
>
> Since Hermine asked. This is a "futura" variety that I thought
> might be similar to the one Mike LaForest asked about. I know it's
> in the Journals, but I'm too lazy to look it up AGAIN.
> Dale
> http://www.bobsmole ys.com/connois. html
> 070093 Sansevieria t. l. “Beckyâ€ᅵ – This is a new
> plant cultivar NEVER BEFORE OFFERED. This plant is named after my
> daughter and shortly will be described in the Sansevieria Journal.
> It was discovered as a sport and has lovely markings. Offered here
> are large plants for six inch pots. The picture does not do this
> plant justice as it is truly a beautiful plant.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: hermine
> To: Sansevierias@ yahoogroups. com
> Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 8:06 PM
> Subject: Re: [Sansevierias] Photo måndag ID PICS!
>
> At 04:12 PM 5/26/2009, you wrote:
>
>
>
>> Norma, I'm way out of my league when it comes to trifasciata
>> types. I did suggest it might be S. t. 'Gold Flame' which I think
>> is a futura type with gold edges,
>
>
> Gold flame has wonderful irregular streaks of gold like a flameout
> paintjob on a custom car.
>
>> but in one of the ISS Journals there is mention of a S. t.
>> argentea sport that Bob Smoley calls - heck I forget - and I'm to
>> lazy to look it up.
>
>
> go look it up and get back to us.
>
> herm
>
>
> Yahoo! Mail Sekarang Lebih Cepat dan Lebih Bersih. Rasakan bedanya!
>
>
>
>
Eva M I
2009-05-27 16:31:48 UTC
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WOW! Very smart Herman!!



Eva



To: ***@yahoogroups.com
From: ***@comcast.net
Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 12:21:25 -0400
Subject: Re: [Sansevierias] S. t. 'Becky'


Earlier I mentioned Herman's posting of 12 different leaf patterns for the common S.t. 'Laurentii'. I misremembered. There were 30 different patterns that he posted. I repost Herman's pictures below. Becky looks to be # 31, or #32.
M.















On May 27, 2009, at 11:57 AM, indra susandi wrote:



S.t. 'Becky' is a new cultivar name but not registered yet. It was introduced by Bob, the cultivar's name honored his daughter's name Becky. CMIIW!!!
It's different with S. t. 'Laurentii Striolated".
For me, Becky's marking close with S. t. 'Herminia'

INDRA








From: yayan pribadi <***@yahoo.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 8:38:51 AM
Subject: Bls: [Sansevierias] S. t. 'Becky'





dear Dale

I've read journal ISS no 4, p4 it called S.t. 'Laurentii Striolated".
Full size , not futura size.

yayan - bandung - indonesia






Dari: Dale La Forest <***@hotmail. com>
Kepada: Sansevierias@ yahoogroups. com
Terkirim: Rabu, 27 Mei, 2009 22:26:21
Topik: [Sansevierias] S. t. 'Becky'




Since Hermine asked. This is a "futura" variety that I thought might be similar to the one Mike LaForest asked about. I know it's in the Journals, but I'm too lazy to look it up AGAIN.
Dale
http://www.bobsmole ys.com/connois. html
070093 Sansevieria t. l. “Beckyâ€ᅵ – This is a new plant cultivar NEVER BEFORE OFFERED. This plant is named after my daughter and shortly will be described in the Sansevieria Journal. It was discovered as a sport and has lovely markings. Offered here are large plants for six inch pots. The picture does not do this plant justice as it is truly a beautiful plant.



----- Original Message -----
From: hermine
To: Sansevierias@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 8:06 PM
Subject: Re: [Sansevierias] Photo måndag ID PICS!



At 04:12 PM 5/26/2009, you wrote:



Norma, I'm way out of my league when it comes to trifasciata types. I did suggest it might be S. t. 'Gold Flame' which I think is a futura type with gold edges,

Gold flame has wonderful irregular streaks of gold like a flameout paintjob on a custom car.


but in one of the ISS Journals there is mention of a S. t. argentea sport that Bob Smoley calls - heck I forget - and I'm to lazy to look it up.

go look it up and get back to us.

herm




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2009-05-27 17:37:42 UTC
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Nice variations on a them. Sheer serendipity has given me some of them, all from those big stores which bring in "tons" of 'em.

Hans

_____

From: ***@yahoogroups.com [mailto:***@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael LaForest
Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 12:21 PM
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Sansevierias] S. t. 'Becky'


Earlier I mentioned Herman's posting of 12 different leaf patterns for the common S.t. 'Laurentii'. I misremembered. There were 30 different patterns that he posted. I repost Herman's pictures below. Becky looks to be # 31, or #32.
M.










On May 27, 2009, at 11:57 AM, indra susandi wrote:





S.t. 'Becky' is a new cultivar name but not registered yet. It was introduced by Bob, the cultivar's name honored his daughter's name Becky. CMIIW!!!
It's different with S. t. 'Laurentii Striolated".
For me, Becky's marking close with S. t. 'Herminia'


INDRA





_____

From: yayan pribadi <***@yahoo.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 8:38:51 AM
Subject: Bls: [Sansevierias] S. t. 'Becky'



dear Dale

I've read journal ISS no 4, p4 it called S.t. 'Laurentii Striolated".
Full size , not futura size.

yayan - bandung - indonesia




_____

Dari: Dale La Forest <***@hotmail. com>
Kepada: Sansevierias@ yahoogroups. com
Terkirim: Rabu, 27 Mei, 2009 22:26:21
Topik: [Sansevierias] S. t. 'Becky'



Since Hermine asked. This is a "futura" variety that I thought might be similar to the one Mike LaForest asked about. I know it's in the Journals, but I'm too lazy to look it up AGAIN.
Dale
http://www.bobsmole ys.com/connois. html <http://www.bobsmoleys.com/connois.html>
070093 Sansevieria t. l. “Beckyâ€ᅵ – This is a new plant cultivar NEVER BEFORE OFFERED. This plant is named after my daughter and shortly will be described in the Sansevieria Journal. It was discovered as a sport and has lovely markings. Offered here are large plants for six inch pots. The picture does not do this plant justice as it is truly a beautiful plant.
http://www.bobsmoleys.com/5.jpg


----- Original Message -----
From: hermine <mailto:***@endangeredspecies.com>
To: Sansevierias@ yahoogroups. <mailto:***@yahoogroups.com> com
Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 8:06 PM
Subject: Re: [Sansevierias] Photo måndag ID PICS!


At 04:12 PM 5/26/2009, you wrote:




Norma, I'm way out of my league when it comes to trifasciata types. I did suggest it might be S. t. 'Gold Flame' which I think is a futura type with gold edges,



Gold flame has wonderful irregular streaks of gold like a flameout paintjob on a custom car.



but in one of the ISS Journals there is mention of a S. t. argentea sport that Bob Smoley calls - heck I forget - and I'm to lazy to look it up.



go look it up and get back to us.

herm




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hermine
2009-05-28 05:43:07 UTC
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At 10:37 AM 5/27/2009, you wrote:
>
>
>Nice variations on a them. Sheer serendipity
>has given me some of them, all from those big
>stores which bring in "tons" of 'em.
>
>Hans


the only trick is to isolate one from the other
and grow them on to see if they continue to
demonstrate their unique features. and then you have a valid cultivar.

herm
barbara polny-windgassen
2009-05-28 10:05:54 UTC
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I've been do8ng just that, so far with no sucess. The plants are, of
course, enjoyed anyway.
Hans

_____

From: ***@yahoogroups.com [mailto:***@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of hermine
Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 1:43 AM
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Sansevierias] S. t. 'Becky'





At 10:37 AM 5/27/2009, you wrote:







Nice variations on a them. Sheer serendipity has given me some of them, all
from those big stores which bring in "tons" of 'em.

Hans

the only trick is to isolate one from the other and grow them on to see if
they continue to demonstrate their unique features. and then you have a
valid cultivar.

herm
Norma - Crasulady2
2009-05-27 19:24:15 UTC
Permalink
It's a insult to name the plant that, Hermine is not ho hum in any way, how dare him, she is a very exciting person. It's needs to be an exciting new plant and not ho hum. Norma
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael LaForest
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 9:21 AM
Subject: Re: [Sansevierias] S. t. 'Becky'


Earlier I mentioned Herman's posting of 12 different leaf patterns for the common S.t. 'Laurentii'. I misremembered. There were 30 different patterns that he posted. I repost Herman's pictures below. Becky looks to be # 31, or #32.
M.















On May 27, 2009, at 11:57 AM, indra susandi wrote:





S.t. 'Becky' is a new cultivar name but not registered yet. It was introduced by Bob, the cultivar's name honored his daughter's name Becky. CMIIW!!!
It's different with S. t. 'Laurentii Striolated".
For me, Becky's marking close with S. t. 'Herminia'


INDRA







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From: yayan pribadi <***@yahoo.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 8:38:51 AM
Subject: Bls: [Sansevierias] S. t. 'Becky'




dear Dale

I've read journal ISS no 4, p4 it called S.t. 'Laurentii Striolated".
Full size , not futura size.

yayan - bandung - indonesia





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Dari: Dale La Forest <***@hotmail. com>
Kepada: Sansevierias@ yahoogroups. com
Terkirim: Rabu, 27 Mei, 2009 22:26:21
Topik: [Sansevierias] S. t. 'Becky'




Since Hermine asked. This is a "futura" variety that I thought might be similar to the one Mike LaForest asked about. I know it's in the Journals, but I'm too lazy to look it up AGAIN.
Dale
http://www.bobsmole ys.com/connois. html
070093 Sansevieria t. l. “Beckyâ€ᅵ – This is a new plant cultivar NEVER BEFORE OFFERED. This plant is named after my daughter and shortly will be described in the Sansevieria Journal. It was discovered as a sport and has lovely markings. Offered here are large plants for six inch pots. The picture does not do this plant justice as it is truly a beautiful plant.


----- Original Message -----
From: hermine
To: Sansevierias@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 8:06 PM
Subject: Re: [Sansevierias] Photo måndag ID PICS!


At 04:12 PM 5/26/2009, you wrote:




Norma, I'm way out of my league when it comes to trifasciata types. I did suggest it might be S. t. 'Gold Flame' which I think is a futura type with gold edges,


Gold flame has wonderful irregular streaks of gold like a flameout paintjob on a custom car.


but in one of the ISS Journals there is mention of a S. t. argentea sport that Bob Smoley calls - heck I forget - and I'm to lazy to look it up.


go look it up and get back to us.

herm





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hermine
2009-05-28 03:12:40 UTC
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At 12:24 PM 5/27/2009, you wrote:
>
>
>It's a insult to name the plant that, Hermine
>is not ho hum in any way, how dare him, she is
>a very exciting person. It's needs to be an
>exciting new plant and not ho hum. Norma

Norma did I not tell you that a botanist friend
named a pond scum after me! i was VERY PROUD!

hermine
Norma - Crasulady2
2009-05-28 04:56:41 UTC
Permalink
That just gets me mad, angry. At least I had a beautiful flower named after me. The plant is ugly. Norma
----- Original Message -----
From: hermine
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 8:12 PM
Subject: Re: [Sansevierias] S. t. 'Becky'





At 12:24 PM 5/27/2009, you wrote:





It's a insult to name the plant that, Hermine is not ho hum in any way, how dare him, she is a very exciting person. It's needs to be an exciting new plant and not ho hum. Norma
Norma did I not tell you that a botanist friend named a pond scum after me! i was VERY PROUD!

hermine
hermine
2009-05-28 05:27:23 UTC
Permalink
At 09:56 PM 5/27/2009, you wrote:


>That just gets me mad, angry. At least I had a beautiful flower
>named after me. The plant is ugly. Norma

Norms, it is not ugly, it is just a plant with what I used to call
"modest charms".

hermine
Michael LaForest
2009-05-27 16:38:46 UTC
Permalink
I think the main descriptor for Herminia is that its leaves are much
narrower than Laurentii. Otherwise for me it is a "ho-hum" variety.
See picture below.
M.

ᅩ

On May 27, 2009, at 11:57 AM, indra susandi wrote:

>
> For me, Becky's marking close with S. t. 'Herminia'
>
> INDRA
yayan pribadi
2009-05-27 16:59:34 UTC
Permalink
dear mike
Nice plant - nice 'Herminia'

i agree,.....it's Herminia, narrower than Laurentii........layer arrangement WGG ,

For herman's picture no 30-31, looks like laurentii with yellow core, so it's WGW

St 'Laurentii Striolated' , according to Juan ..-journal 4 p4.......it's a Laurentii which, over and above its varigation, has its third layer, or core, varigated in yellow

St 'Madras' , according to Juan, journal 7 p4 , .........regular Laurentii whose leaves show additionally random stripes of variegation. Almost all these stripes seem to be relegated to the adaxial side with occasional stripes on the abaxial side.

maybe Becky = Laurentii striolated or Madras .........or new cultivar?

yayan- bandung- Indonesia




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Terkirim: Rabu, 27 Mei, 2009 23:38:46
Topik: Re: [Sansevierias] S. t. 'Becky'

I think the main descriptor for Herminia is that its leaves are much narrower than Laurentii. Otherwise for me it is a "ho-hum" variety. See picture below.
M.





On May 27, 2009, at 11:57 AM, indra susandi wrote:


For me, Becky's marking close with S. t. 'Herminia'

INDRA


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2009-05-27 19:55:26 UTC
Permalink
As Butler exclaimed, 'Madras' is not 100% stable, but neither is
'Wagner's Gold', or 'Daria', or several others. The randomness and
the fact the stripes don't match front and back make them mericlinal,
and to my mind make them more interesting because you never know what
pups they are going to throw.
I assume the name 'Madras' suggests sort of a plaid coloration
pattern due to longitudinal and latitudinal striping on the same leaf
- as in this 'Daria' leaf. I do not have a S.t. 'Madras' variety.
M.

ᅩ
On May 27, 2009, at 12:59 PM, yayan pribadi wrote:

> dear mike
> Nice plant - nice 'Herminia'
>
> i agree,.....it's Herminia, narrower than Laurentii........layer
> arrangement WGG ,
>
> For herman's picture no 30-31, looks like laurentii with yellow
> core, so it's WGW
>
> St 'Laurentii Striolated' , according to Juan ..-journal 4
> p4.......it's a Laurentii which, over and above its varigation, has
> its third layer, or core, varigated in yellow
>
> St 'Madras' , according to Juan, journal 7 p4 , .........regular
> Laurentii whose leaves show additionally random stripes of
> variegation. Almost all these stripes seem to be relegated to the
> adaxial side with occasional stripes on the abaxial side.
>
> maybe Becky = Laurentii striolated or Madras .........or new cultivar?
>
> yayan- bandung- Indonesia
>
> Dari: Michael LaForest <***@comcast.net>
> Kepada: ***@yahoogroups.com
> Terkirim: Rabu, 27 Mei, 2009 23:38:46
> Topik: Re: [Sansevierias] S. t. 'Becky'
>
> I think the main descriptor for Herminia is that its leaves are
> much narrower than Laurentii. Otherwise for me it is a "ho-hum"
> variety. See picture below.
> M.
>
>
>
> On May 27, 2009, at 11:57 AM, indra susandi wrote:
>
>>
>> For me, Becky's marking close with S. t. 'Herminia'
>>
>> INDRA
>
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Dale La Forest
2009-05-28 02:48:25 UTC
Permalink
Mike, do any of these yellow edge plants you've posted have the polyploid trait like laurentii?
I read that Becky was medium sized, so I assumed it was a futura type. Do you believe in order to be a futura type the rosette must be funnelform?
Dale
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael LaForest
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 12:55 PM
Subject: Re: Bls: [Sansevierias] S. t. 'Becky'


As Butler exclaimed, 'Madras' is not 100% stable, but neither is 'Wagner's Gold', or 'Daria', or several others. The randomness and the fact the stripes don't match front and back make them mericlinal, and to my mind make them more interesting because you never know what pups they are going to throw.
I assume the name 'Madras' suggests sort of a plaid coloration pattern due to longitudinal and latitudinal striping on the same leaf - as in this 'Daria' leaf. I do not have a S.t. 'Madras' variety.
M.




On May 27, 2009, at 12:59 PM, yayan pribadi wrote:


dear mike
Nice plant - nice 'Herminia'
ᅵ
i agree,.....it's Herminia, narrower than Laurentii........layer arrangement WGG ,
ᅵ
For herman's picture no 30-31, looks like laurentii with yellow core, so it's WGW
ᅵ
St 'Laurentii Striolated' , according to Juan ..-journal 4 p4.......it's a Laurentii which, over and above its varigation, has its third layer, or core, varigated in yellow
ᅵ
St 'Madras' , according to Juan, journal 7 p4 , .........regular Laurentii whose leaves show additionally random stripes of variegation. Almost all these stripes seem to be relegated to the adaxial side with occasional stripes on the abaxial side.
ᅵ
maybe Becky = Laurentii striolated or Madras .........or new cultivar?
ᅵ
yayan- bandung- Indonesia




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Terkirim:ï¿œRabu, 27 Mei, 2009 23:38:46
Topik:ï¿œRe: [Sansevierias] S. t. 'Becky'

I think the main descriptor for Herminia is that its leaves are much narrower than Laurentii. Otherwise for me it is a "ho-hum" variety. See picture below.
M.






On May 27, 2009, at 11:57 AM, indra susandi wrote:



For me, Becky's marking close with S. t. 'Herminia'

ᅵ
INDRA


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2009-05-28 07:38:29 UTC
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Dale, please help me,



What is a funnelform?



Thanks



Eva


To: ***@yahoogroups.com
From: ***@hotmail.com
Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 19:48:25 -0700
Subject: Re: Bls: [Sansevierias] S. t. 'Becky'








Mike, do any of these yellow edge plants you've posted have the polyploid trait like laurentii?
I read that Becky was medium sized, so I assumed it was a futura type. Do you believe in order to be a futura type the rosette must be funnelform?
Dale

----- Original Message -----
From: Michael LaForest
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 12:55 PM
Subject: Re: Bls: [Sansevierias] S. t. 'Becky'

As Butler exclaimed, 'Madras' is not 100% stable, but neither is 'Wagner's Gold', or 'Daria', or several others. The randomness and the fact the stripes don't match front and back make them mericlinal, and to my mind make them more interesting because you never know what pups they are going to throw.
I assume the name 'Madras' suggests sort of a plaid coloration pattern due to longitudinal and latitudinal striping on the same leaf - as in this 'Daria' leaf. I do not have a S.t. 'Madras' variety.
M.





On May 27, 2009, at 12:59 PM, yayan pribadi wrote:


dear mike
Nice plant - nice 'Herminia'
ᅵ
i agree,.....it's Herminia, narrower than Laurentii........layer arrangement WGG ,
ᅵ
For herman's picture no 30-31, looks like laurentii with yellow core, so it's WGW
ᅵ
St 'Laurentii Striolated' , according to Juan ..-journal 4 p4.......it's a Laurentii which, over and above its varigation, has its third layer, or core, varigated in yellow
ᅵ
St 'Madras' , according to Juan, journal 7 p4 , .........regular Laurentii whose leaves show additionally random stripes of variegation. Almost all these stripes seem to be relegated to the adaxial side with occasional stripes on the abaxial side.
ᅵ
maybe Becky = Laurentii striolated or Madras .........or new cultivar?
ᅵ
yayan- bandung- Indonesia





Dari:ï¿œMichael LaForest <***@comcast.net>
Kepada:ᅵ***@yahoogroups.com
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Topik:ï¿œRe: [Sansevierias] S. t. 'Becky'

I think the main descriptor for Herminia is that its leaves are much narrower than Laurentii. Otherwise for me it is a "ho-hum" variety. See picture below.
M.







On May 27, 2009, at 11:57 AM, indra susandi wrote:


For me, Becky's marking close with S. t. 'Herminia'

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Eva M I
2009-05-28 11:59:14 UTC
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Tack Helli!



You did what I was for lazy for....:-)
Eva


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Hi Eva,

a funnel is a "tratt" in swedish. I am sure Dale means "in the form of a
funnel"

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Michael LaForest
2009-05-28 16:08:19 UTC
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If by polyploid you mean do they have thicker, puffy, margins, the
answer is 'yes'. Yes because they are all derived from Laurentii.

I do believe in order for a plant to be classified as a Futura that
it must be funnel-form. 'Moonshine' is a plant that most readers have
or have seen. It is a typical Futura. Juan's trifasciata book
describes a half dozen Futura varieties.
M.

On May 27, 2009, at 10:48 PM, Dale La Forest wrote:

>
>
> Mike, do any of these yellow edge plants you've posted have the
> polyploid trait like laurentii?
> I read that Becky was medium sized, so I assumed it was a futura
> type. Do you believe in order to be a futura type the rosette must
> be funnelform?
> Dale
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Michael LaForest
> To: ***@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 12:55 PM
> Subject: Re: Bls: [Sansevierias] S. t. 'Becky'
>
> As Butler exclaimed, 'Madras' is not 100% stable, but neither is
> 'Wagner's Gold', or 'Daria', or several others. The randomness and
> the fact the stripes don't match front and back make them
> mericlinal, and to my mind make them more interesting because you
> never know what pups they are going to throw.
> I assume the name 'Madras' suggests sort of a plaid coloration
> pattern due to longitudinal and latitudinal striping on the same
> leaf - as in this 'Daria' leaf. I do not have a S.t. 'Madras' variety.
> M.
>
ᅩ
> On May 27, 2009, at 12:59 PM, yayan pribadi wrote:
>
>> dear mike
>> Nice plant - nice 'Herminia'
>> ᅵ
>> i agree,.....it's Herminia, narrower than Laurentii........layer
>> arrangement WGG ,
>> ᅵ
>> For herman's picture no 30-31, looks like laurentii with yellow
>> core, so it's WGW
>> ᅵ
>> St 'Laurentii Striolated' , according to Juan ..-journal 4
>> p4.......it's a Laurentii which, over and above its varigation,
>> has its third layer, or core, varigated in yellow
>> ᅵ
>> St 'Madras' , according to Juan, journal 7 p4 , .........regular
>> Laurentii whose leaves show additionally random stripes of
>> variegation. Almost all these stripes seem to be relegated to the
>> adaxial side with occasional stripes on the abaxial side.
>> ᅵ
>> maybe Becky = Laurentii striolated or Madras .........or new
>> cultivar?
>> ᅵ
>> yayan- bandung- Indonesia
>>
>> Dari:ï¿œMichael LaForest <***@comcast.net>
>> Kepada:ᅵ***@yahoogroups.com
>> Terkirim:ï¿œRabu, 27 Mei, 2009 23:38:46
>> Topik:ï¿œRe: [Sansevierias] S. t. 'Becky'
>>
>> I think the main descriptor for Herminia is that its leaves are
>> much narrower than Laurentii. Otherwise for me it is a "ho-hum"
>> variety. See picture below.
>> M.
>>
>>
>>
>> On May 27, 2009, at 11:57 AM, indra susandi wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> For me, Becky's marking close with S. t. 'Herminia'
>>> ᅵ
>>> INDRA
>>
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Norma - Crasulady2
2009-05-28 16:34:18 UTC
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Funnel form is a Sansevieria that wraps it leaves tightly around each over at the bottom where they narrow down. It is wide at the top of the leaves. Metal/plastic funnels used in cooking and pouring oil into cars are made this way, it helps you to get water into small tops of bottles/ holes with out spilling. I hope I made myself clear in this explanation. Norma
----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 12:38 AM
Subject: RE: Bls: [Sansevierias] S. t. 'Becky'





Dale, please help me,

What is a funnelform?

Thanks

Eva



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From: ***@hotmail.com
Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 19:48:25 -0700
Subject: Re: Bls: [Sansevierias] S. t. 'Becky'





Mike, do any of these yellow edge plants you've posted have the polyploid trait like laurentii?
I read that Becky was medium sized, so I assumed it was a futura type. Do you believe in order to be a futura type the rosette must be funnelform?
Dale
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael LaForest
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 12:55 PM
Subject: Re: Bls: [Sansevierias] S. t. 'Becky'


As Butler exclaimed, 'Madras' is not 100% stable, but neither is 'Wagner's Gold', or 'Daria', or several others. The randomness and the fact the stripes don't match front and back make them mericlinal, and to my mind make them more interesting because you never know what pups they are going to throw.
I assume the name 'Madras' suggests sort of a plaid coloration pattern due to longitudinal and latitudinal striping on the same leaf - as in this 'Daria' leaf. I do not have a S.t. 'Madras' variety.
M.




On May 27, 2009, at 12:59 PM, yayan pribadi wrote:


dear mike
Nice plant - nice 'Herminia'
ᅵ
i agree,.....it's Herminia, narrower than Laurentii........layer arrangement WGG ,
ᅵ
For herman's picture no 30-31, looks like laurentii with yellow core, so it's WGW
ᅵ
St 'Laurentii Striolated' , according to Juan ..-journal 4 p4.......it's a Laurentii which, over and above its varigation, has its third layer, or core, varigated in yellow
ᅵ
St 'Madras' , according to Juan, journal 7 p4 , .........regular Laurentii whose leaves show additionally random stripes of variegation. Almost all these stripes seem to be relegated to the adaxial side with occasional stripes on the abaxial side.
ᅵ
maybe Becky = Laurentii striolated or Madras .........or new cultivar?
ᅵ
yayan- bandung- Indonesia




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Topik:ï¿œRe: [Sansevierias] S. t. 'Becky'

I think the main descriptor for Herminia is that its leaves are much narrower than Laurentii. Otherwise for me it is a "ho-hum" variety. See picture below.
M.






On May 27, 2009, at 11:57 AM, indra susandi wrote:



For me, Becky's marking close with S. t. 'Herminia'

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hermine
2009-05-28 03:39:09 UTC
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At 12:55 PM 5/27/2009, you wrote:
>As Butler exclaimed, 'Madras' is not 100% stable, but neither is
>'Wagner's Gold', or 'Daria', or several others. The randomness and
>the fact the stripes don't match front and back make them
>mericlinal, and to my mind make them more interesting because you
>never know what pups they are going to throw.
>I assume the name 'Madras' suggests sort of a plaid coloration
>pattern due to longitudinal and latitudinal striping on the same
>leaf - as in this 'Daria' leaf. I do not have a S.t. 'Madras' variety.
>M.

I had a gold hahni 'Tartan' with significant cross banding. Madras
is a tartan pattern woven in India and occasionally out of fabrics in
which the dye bleeds a bit.

hermine
Norma - Crasulady2
2009-05-28 04:55:07 UTC
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I had one that looked like a scotch plaid. So what's in a name? Norma
----- Original Message -----
From: hermine
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 8:39 PM
Subject: Re: Bls: [Sansevierias] S. t. 'Becky'





At 12:55 PM 5/27/2009, you wrote:


As Butler exclaimed, 'Madras' is not 100% stable, but neither is 'Wagner's Gold', or 'Daria', or several others. The randomness and the fact the stripes don't match front and back make them mericlinal, and to my mind make them more interesting because you never know what pups they are going to throw.
I assume the name 'Madras' suggests sort of a plaid coloration pattern due to longitudinal and latitudinal striping on the same leaf - as in this 'Daria' leaf. I do not have a S.t. 'Madras' variety.
M.

I had a gold hahni 'Tartan' with significant cross banding. Madras is a tartan pattern woven in India and occasionally out of fabrics in which the dye bleeds a bit.

hermine
hermine
2009-05-28 03:06:18 UTC
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At 09:38 AM 5/27/2009, you wrote:
>I think the main descriptor for Herminia is that its leaves are much
>narrower than Laurentii. Otherwise for me it is a "ho-hum" variety.
>See picture below.
>M.

this is a very ho hum example. mine is robust with thick leaves and a
certain dramatic presence found in small precious unusual things such
as myself.

hermine
Michael LaForest
2009-05-28 14:21:40 UTC
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Are the leaves on your plant really 'thick', or are they really wide?
I see a distinction between the two terms. Maybe you don't have
Herminia. Maybe you can post a picture of your plant?
M.

On May 27, 2009, at 11:06 PM, hermine wrote:

>
>
> At 09:38 AM 5/27/2009, you wrote:
>> I think the main descriptor for Herminia is that its leaves are
>> much narrower than Laurentii. Otherwise for me it is a "ho-hum"
>> variety. See picture below.
>> M.
>
> this is a very ho hum example. mine is robust with thick leaves and
> a certain dramatic presence found in small precious unusual things
> such as myself.
>
> hermine
>
>
>
hermine
2009-05-28 15:31:31 UTC
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At 07:21 AM 5/28/2009, you wrote:


>Are the leaves on your plant really 'thick', or are they really
>wide? I see a distinction between the two terms. Maybe you don't
>have Herminia. Maybe you can post a picture of your plant?
>M.

Herminia leaves are strikingly THICK for a non cylindrical leaf.

hermine
Norma - Crasulady2
2009-05-28 01:27:27 UTC
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If it is not registered any one can put another name on and steel it away from him as if the created the plant. This is what they tried to do with Hermine's 'Lillian True' Norma
----- Original Message -----
From: indra susandi
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 8:57 AM
Subject: [Sansevierias] S. t. 'Becky'






S.t. 'Becky' is a new cultivar name but not registered yet. It was introduced by Bob, the cultivar's name honored his daughter's name Becky. CMIIW!!!
It's different with S. t. 'Laurentii Striolated".
For me, Becky's marking close with S. t. 'Herminia'


INDRA







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From: yayan pribadi <***@yahoo.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 8:38:51 AM
Subject: Bls: [Sansevierias] S. t. 'Becky'



dear Dale

I've read journal ISS no 4, p4 it called S.t. 'Laurentii Striolated".
Full size , not futura size.

yayan - bandung - indonesia





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Terkirim: Rabu, 27 Mei, 2009 22:26:21
Topik: [Sansevierias] S. t. 'Becky'



Since Hermine asked. This is a "futura" variety that I thought might be similar to the one Mike LaForest asked about. I know it's in the Journals, but I'm too lazy to look it up AGAIN.
Dale
http://www.bobsmole ys.com/connois. html
070093 Sansevieria t. l. “Beckyâ€ᅵ – This is a new plant cultivar NEVER BEFORE OFFERED. This plant is named after my daughter and shortly will be described in the Sansevieria Journal. It was discovered as a sport and has lovely markings. Offered here are large plants for six inch pots. The picture does not do this plant justice as it is truly a beautiful plant.


----- Original Message -----
From: hermine
To: Sansevierias@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 8:06 PM
Subject: Re: [Sansevierias] Photo måndag ID PICS!


At 04:12 PM 5/26/2009, you wrote:




Norma, I'm way out of my league when it comes to trifasciata types. I did suggest it might be S. t. 'Gold Flame' which I think is a futura type with gold edges,


Gold flame has wonderful irregular streaks of gold like a flameout paintjob on a custom car.


but in one of the ISS Journals there is mention of a S. t. argentea sport that Bob Smoley calls - heck I forget - and I'm to lazy to look it up.


go look it up and get back to us.

herm
Michael LaForest
2009-05-28 01:53:20 UTC
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What does "registering" a plant have to do with anything? A grower
with a good website reaches 1000's of people, and if they have a
simple catalog so much the better. Seems like registering a plant is
like wetting your pants wearing a dark suit. It gives you a warm
feeling, but nobody notices.
M.

On May 27, 2009, at 9:27 PM, Norma - Crasulady2 wrote:

>
>
> If it is not registered any one can put another name on and steel
> it away from him as if the created the plant. This is what they
> tried to do with Hermine's 'Lillian True' Norma
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: indra susandi
> To: ***@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 8:57 AM
> Subject: [Sansevierias] S. t. 'Becky'
>
>
> S.t. 'Becky' is a new cultivar name but not registered yet. It was
> introduced by Bob, the cultivar's name honored his daughter's name
> Becky. CMIIW!!!
> It's different with S. t. 'Laurentii Striolated".
> For me, Becky's marking close with S. t. 'Herminia'
>
> INDRA
>
>
>
> From: yayan pribadi <***@yahoo.com>
> To: ***@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 8:38:51 AM
> Subject: Bls: [Sansevierias] S. t. 'Becky'
>
>
> dear Dale
>
> I've read journal ISS no 4, p4 it called S.t. 'Laurentii Striolated".
> Full size , not futura size.
>
> yayan - bandung - indonesia
>
>
>
> Dari: Dale La Forest <***@hotmail. com>
> Kepada: Sansevierias@ yahoogroups. com
> Terkirim: Rabu, 27 Mei, 2009 22:26:21
> Topik: [Sansevierias] S. t. 'Becky'
>
>
> Since Hermine asked. This is a "futura" variety that I thought
> might be similar to the one Mike LaForest asked about. I know it's
> in the Journals, but I'm too lazy to look it up AGAIN.
> Dale
> http://www.bobsmole ys.com/connois. html
> 070093 Sansevieria t. l. “Beckyâ€ᅵ – This is a new
> plant cultivar NEVER BEFORE OFFERED. This plant is named after my
> daughter and shortly will be described in the Sansevieria Journal.
> It was discovered as a sport and has lovely markings. Offered here
> are large plants for six inch pots. The picture does not do this
> plant justice as it is truly a beautiful plant.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: hermine
> To: Sansevierias@ yahoogroups. com
> Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 8:06 PM
> Subject: Re: [Sansevierias] Photo måndag ID PICS!
>
> At 04:12 PM 5/26/2009, you wrote:
>
>
>
>> Norma, I'm way out of my league when it comes to trifasciata
>> types. I did suggest it might be S. t. 'Gold Flame' which I think
>> is a futura type with gold edges,
>
>
> Gold flame has wonderful irregular streaks of gold like a flameout
> paintjob on a custom car.
>
>> but in one of the ISS Journals there is mention of a S. t.
>> argentea sport that Bob Smoley calls - heck I forget - and I'm to
>> lazy to look it up.
>
>
> go look it up and get back to us.
>
> herm
>
>
> Yahoo! Mail Sekarang Lebih Cepat dan Lebih Bersih. Rasakan bedanya!
>
>
>
>
>
Norma - Crasulady2
2009-05-28 04:53:14 UTC
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And it seems to me even if it appears in print and published, they can still change the name. 'Moonbeam' /'Moonshine' and there may be even a third name, I researched this once years ago. Norma
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael LaForest
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 6:53 PM
Subject: Re: [Sansevierias] S. t. 'Becky'





What does "registering" a plant have to do with anything? A grower with a good website reaches 1000's of people, and if they have a simple catalog so much the better. Seems like registering a plant is like wetting your pants wearing a dark suit. It gives you a warm feeling, but nobody notices.

M.


On May 27, 2009, at 9:27 PM, Norma - Crasulady2 wrote:





If it is not registered any one can put another name on and steel it away from him as if the created the plant. This is what they tried to do with Hermine's 'Lillian True' Norma
----- Original Message -----
From: indra susandi
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 8:57 AM
Subject: [Sansevierias] S. t. 'Becky'




S.t. 'Becky' is a new cultivar name but not registered yet. It was introduced by Bob, the cultivar's name honored his daughter's name Becky. CMIIW!!!
It's different with S. t. 'Laurentii Striolated".
For me, Becky's marking close with S. t. 'Herminia'


INDRA







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From: yayan pribadi <***@yahoo.com>
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 8:38:51 AM
Subject: Bls: [Sansevierias] S. t. 'Becky'




dear Dale

I've read journal ISS no 4, p4 it called S.t. 'Laurentii Striolated".
Full size , not futura size.

yayan - bandung - indonesia





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Terkirim: Rabu, 27 Mei, 2009 22:26:21
Topik: [Sansevierias] S. t. 'Becky'




Since Hermine asked. This is a "futura" variety that I thought might be similar to the one Mike LaForest asked about. I know it's in the Journals, but I'm too lazy to look it up AGAIN.
Dale
http://www.bobsmole ys.com/connois. html
070093 Sansevieria t. l. “Beckyâ€ᅵ – This is a new plant cultivar NEVER BEFORE OFFERED. This plant is named after my daughter and shortly will be described in the Sansevieria Journal. It was discovered as a sport and has lovely markings. Offered here are large plants for six inch pots. The picture does not do this plant justice as it is truly a beautiful plant.


----- Original Message -----
From: hermine
To: Sansevierias@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 8:06 PM
Subject: Re: [Sansevierias] Photo måndag ID PICS!


At 04:12 PM 5/26/2009, you wrote:




Norma, I'm way out of my league when it comes to trifasciata types. I did suggest it might be S. t. 'Gold Flame' which I think is a futura type with gold edges,


Gold flame has wonderful irregular streaks of gold like a flameout paintjob on a custom car.


but in one of the ISS Journals there is mention of a S. t. argentea sport that Bob Smoley calls - heck I forget - and I'm to lazy to look it up.


go look it up and get back to us.

herm





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hermine
2009-05-28 05:37:05 UTC
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At 06:53 PM 5/27/2009, you wrote:


>What does "registering" a plant have to do with anything? A grower
>with a good website reaches 1000's of people, and if they have a
>simple catalog so much the better.


Yeah, until somebody puts it up on a list website as an UNPUBLISHED
catalog, which is not true.

> Seems like registering a plant is like wetting your pants wearing
> a dark suit. It gives you a warm feeling, but nobody notices.


no but they can smell it.

hermine
hermine
2009-05-28 05:32:56 UTC
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At 06:27 PM 5/27/2009, you wrote:
>
>
>If it is not registered any one can put another
>name on and steel it away from him as if the
>created the plant. This is what they tried to do
>with Hermine's 'Lillian True' Norma

except for how I published it in a book, in
catalogs, with photos and detailed descriptions.

hermine
Norma - Crasulady2
2009-05-28 05:44:43 UTC
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Hermine they will still try, and even if you write to them and tell them that you named the plant. They wait until after you die and then do it. Some even search for a plant that hasn't been published correctly, and do it. Thirty years after it was named. Like 'Horwood' It was published all over as S. Horwood (Grigsby put that name on it just for ID purposes in his catalogue, until the plant got a 'Latin' name.) Like 'Patens' Like 'Koko' 'Lime Veil' disappeared. S. guineensis has been gone for a long time, but applied to at least three other species. But is not a name used today. Norma
----- Original Message -----
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To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 10:32 PM
Subject: Re: [Sansevierias] S. t. 'Becky'





At 06:27 PM 5/27/2009, you wrote:





If it is not registered any one can put another name on and steel it away from him as if the created the plant. This is what they tried to do with Hermine's 'Lillian True' Norma

except for how I published it in a book, in catalogs, with photos and detailed descriptions.

hermine
hermine
2009-05-28 15:05:55 UTC
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At 10:44 PM 5/27/2009, you wrote:


>Hermine they will still try, and even if you write to them and tell
>them that you named the plant. They wait until after you die


Oh this will be a very long wait! and I will outlive them!

> and then do it. Some even search for a plant that hasn't been
> published correctly, and do it. Thirty years after it was named.
> Like 'Horwood' It was published all over as S. Horwood (Grigsby
> put that name on it just for ID purposes in his catalogue, until
> the plant got a 'Latin' name.) Like 'Patens' Like 'Koko' 'Lime
> Veil' disappeared.


'Lime Veil' has disappeared? what am I supposed to call mine? it is
not the biggest thing since sliced bread, and it does very slowly, it
is fragile, but...when you say disappeared, what do you mean, that it
has another name?

I know Grigsby put things into the catalog with nicknames, we ALL
did. It was all we had! there was no attempt to deceive.

> S. guineensis has been gone for a long time, but applied to at
> least three other species. But is not a name used today.


is this now what is called metallica which has escaped into parts of florida?

hermine
Michael LaForest
2009-05-28 15:26:24 UTC
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Norma,
I think you proved my point. What good does "registering" do but give
you a warm feeling?

I think the best way to make a name stick is to follow the ICBN rules
of naming a plant, describe it in your catalog if you have one, but
more importantly, put it on your internet website, for sale, with
good pictures, and start selling it on eBay. Inform the C&S clubs
around the country with your new creation; visit them, or send their
newsletter editor an article with picture. You have to promote your
new variety and that takes time and propagation. I admit, however,
you could still be trumped by the father of sansevierias.

I think the battle with the 'Tenzan' / 'Siam Silver' name is better
now than it was 3-4 years ago. At least many more people than before
see the two names as synonymous.

The periclinal forms of masoniana variegated have not been named. Go
for it!
M.

On May 28, 2009, at 1:44 AM, Norma - Crasulady2 wrote:

>
>
> Hermine they will still try, and even if you write to them and tell
> them that you named the plant. They wait until after you die and
> then do it. Some even search for a plant that hasn't been
> published correctly, and do it. Thirty years after it was named.
> Like 'Horwood' It was published all over as S. Horwood (Grigsby
> put that name on it just for ID purposes in his catalogue, until
> the plant got a 'Latin' name.) Like 'Patens' Like 'Koko' 'Lime
> Veil' disappeared. S. guineensis has been gone for a long time, but
> applied to at least three other species. But is not a name used
> today. Norma
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: hermine
> To: ***@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 10:32 PM
> Subject: Re: [Sansevierias] S. t. 'Becky'
>
> At 06:27 PM 5/27/2009, you wrote:
>> 
>>
> If it is not registered any one can put another name on and steel
> it away from him as if the created the plant. This is what they
> tried to do with Hermine's 'Lillian True' Norma
>
> except for how I published it in a book, in catalogs, with photos
> and detailed descriptions.
>
> hermine
>
>
>
>
>
hermine
2009-05-28 15:47:51 UTC
Permalink
At 08:26 AM 5/28/2009, Michael LaForest wrote:


>Norma,
>I think you proved my point. What good does "registering" do but
>give you a warm feeling?
>
>I think the best way to make a name stick is to follow the ICBN
>rules of naming a plant, describe it in your catalog if you have
>one, but more importantly, put it on your internet website, for sale,


Oh, some experts claim that unless it is printed on paper in ink it
does not count as published, however, i think that is a luddite view.
especially if the person accessing this information can print it out
him or herself.

> with good pictures, and start selling it on eBay. Inform the C&S
> clubs around the country with your new creation; visit them, or
> send their newsletter editor an article with picture. You have to
> promote your new variety and that takes time and propagation. I
> admit, however, you could still be trumped by the father of sansevierias.

WHO IS THIS? DONALD SANSEVIERIA TRUMP?

without some big commercial interest there really is no registry body
as there is with ROSES. no matter how important the scientific
community takes itself. language prevails over science usually and I
am not saying that is a good thing, i am saying that is how it is.




>I think the battle with the 'Tenzan' / 'Siam Silver' name is better
>now than it was 3-4 years ago. At least many more people than before
>see the two names as synonymous.


Synonymous my big black ass. mine came first, was published and
distributed and the other name is another name for the same
previously published plant. BITE ME. Screw this synonymous. sideways.

hermine
hermine
2009-05-28 15:47:51 UTC
Permalink
At 08:26 AM 5/28/2009, Michael LaForest wrote:


>Norma,
>I think you proved my point. What good does "registering" do but
>give you a warm feeling?
>
>I think the best way to make a name stick is to follow the ICBN
>rules of naming a plant, describe it in your catalog if you have
>one, but more importantly, put it on your internet website, for sale,


Oh, some experts claim that unless it is printed on paper in ink it
does not count as published, however, i think that is a luddite view.
especially if the person accessing this information can print it out
him or herself.

> with good pictures, and start selling it on eBay. Inform the C&S
> clubs around the country with your new creation; visit them, or
> send their newsletter editor an article with picture. You have to
> promote your new variety and that takes time and propagation. I
> admit, however, you could still be trumped by the father of sansevierias.

WHO IS THIS? DONALD SANSEVIERIA TRUMP?

without some big commercial interest there really is no registry body
as there is with ROSES. no matter how important the scientific
community takes itself. language prevails over science usually and I
am not saying that is a good thing, i am saying that is how it is.




>I think the battle with the 'Tenzan' / 'Siam Silver' name is better
>now than it was 3-4 years ago. At least many more people than before
>see the two names as synonymous.


Synonymous my big black ass. mine came first, was published and
distributed and the other name is another name for the same
previously published plant. BITE ME. Screw this synonymous. sideways.

hermine
Norma - Crasulady2
2009-05-28 16:19:33 UTC
Permalink
Better yet try to describe it with a picture in the British Journal, and our own CSSA Journal, get someone to translate the description in Latin then it will stick. If you can do this then do the same in the San. Journal. Take it to a college that has a Latin Professor to do the translation. Then it will stick and no one else can author the plant. Love Norma
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael LaForest
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 8:26 AM
Subject: [Sansevierias] Registering your sansevieria





Norma,

I think you proved my point. What good does "registering" do but give you a warm feeling?


I think the best way to make a name stick is to follow the ICBN rules of naming a plant, describe it in your catalog if you have one, but more importantly, put it on your internet website, for sale, with good pictures, and start selling it on eBay. Inform the C&S clubs around the country with your new creation; visit them, or send their newsletter editor an article with picture. You have to promote your new variety and that takes time and propagation. I admit, however, you could still be trumped by the father of sansevierias.


I think the battle with the 'Tenzan' / 'Siam Silver' name is better now than it was 3-4 years ago. At least many more people than before see the two names as synonymous.


The periclinal forms of masoniana variegated have not been named. Go for it!
M.


On May 28, 2009, at 1:44 AM, Norma - Crasulady2 wrote:





Hermine they will still try, and even if you write to them and tell them that you named the plant. They wait until after you die and then do it. Some even search for a plant that hasn't been published correctly, and do it. Thirty years after it was named. Like 'Horwood' It was published all over as S. Horwood (Grigsby put that name on it just for ID purposes in his catalogue, until the plant got a 'Latin' name.) Like 'Patens' Like 'Koko' 'Lime Veil' disappeared. S. guineensis has been gone for a long time, but applied to at least three other species. But is not a name used today. Norma
----- Original Message -----
From: hermine
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 10:32 PM
Subject: Re: [Sansevierias] S. t. 'Becky'


At 06:27 PM 5/27/2009, you wrote:





If it is not registered any one can put another name on and steel it away from him as if the created the plant. This is what they tried to do with Hermine's 'Lillian True' Norma

except for how I published it in a book, in catalogs, with photos and detailed descriptions.

hermine
Eva M I
2009-05-26 06:04:56 UTC
Permalink
Mike, Great plant!



Hermine, I don't understand. Is Black Gold the name for this plant? or for a plant without any yellow edges?



"black gold is named after crude petroleum and is very dark green and HAS NO GOLD! maybe not the best name for this plant, but it IS the name."
hermine





"compact future" was a joke :-) Eva




To: ***@yahoogroups.com
From: ***@comcast.net
Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 21:49:24 -0400
Subject: Re: [Sansevierias] Photo måndag ID PICS!

Attached is a picture of the plant I bought as 'Black Gold'. I am NOT saying it is Black Gold'. In fact, I'm quite sure it is NOT BG.
For one thing, the plant in my picture is a Futura, and the Black Gold I am familiar with is a normal-sized trifasciata.


For my part, I think this Futura needs a name that has nothing to do with BG, or compacta, which would be much too confusing. Maybe something like, S. t. Futura 'Emerald fire'. I'm not good at names.
M.





On May 25, 2009, at 5:24 PM, Eva M I wrote:

Mike!

Than you got more names than I, I got just: sansevieria.
What about "compact future"? :-)

Eva


To: ***@yahoogroups.com
From: ***@comcast.net
Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 16:37:47 -0400
Subject: Re: [Sansevierias] Photo måndag ID PICS!






Eva,
This is a beautiful futura! I bought it named as 'Black Gold', but I do not trust that name. It's coloration is the same as S. t. compacta, but the growth pattern is that of Futura. It pups freely making a wonderful pot specimen.
M.
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hermine
2009-05-26 16:36:34 UTC
Permalink
>
>Hermine, I don't understand. Is Black Gold the name for this plant?
>or for a plant without any yellow edges?
>
>"black gold is named after crude petroleum and is very dark green
>and HAS NO GOLD! maybe not the best name for this plant, but it IS the name."
>hermine
>

I mean BLACK GOLD has already been used for another plant. years and
years ago. not a wide leafed plant, not a futura type, so to use it
as BLACK GOLD FUTURA is horribly confusing.

hermine
Norma - Crasulady2
2009-05-26 23:12:13 UTC
Permalink
Hermine I have the plant, and you are correct. We can't change Leopard's spots either. Norma
----- Original Message -----
From: hermine
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 9:36 AM
Subject: RE: [Sansevierias] P hoto måndag ID PICS!







Hermine, I don't understand. Is Black Gold the name for this plant? or for a plant without any yellow edges?

"black gold is named after crude petroleum and is very dark green and HAS NO GOLD! maybe not the best name for this plant, but it IS the name."
hermine


I mean BLACK GOLD has already been used for another plant. years and years ago. not a wide leafed plant, not a futura type, so to use it as BLACK GOLD FUTURA is horribly confusing.

hermine
Norma - Crasulady2
2009-05-26 22:13:26 UTC
Permalink
Thanks Hermine, I was hoping you would respond. Norma
----- Original Message -----
From: Eva M I
To: svärmordtungor
Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 11:04 PM
Subject: RE: [Sansevierias] Photo måndag ID PICS!





Mike, Great plant!

Hermine, I don't understand. Is Black Gold the name for this plant? or for a plant without any yellow edges?

"black gold is named after crude petroleum and is very dark green and HAS NO GOLD! maybe not the best name for this plant, but it IS the name."
hermine


"compact future" was a joke :-) Eva





------------------------------------------------------------------------------
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
From: ***@comcast.net
Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 21:49:24 -0400
Subject: Re: [Sansevierias] Photo måndag ID PICS!

Attached is a picture of the plant I bought as 'Black Gold'. I am NOT saying it is Black Gold'. In fact, I'm quite sure it is NOT BG.
For one thing, the plant in my picture is a Futura, and the Black Gold I am familiar with is a normal-sized trifasciata.


For my part, I think this Futura needs a name that has nothing to do with BG, or compacta, which would be much too confusing. Maybe something like, S. t. Futura 'Emerald fire'. I'm not good at names.
M.




On May 25, 2009, at 5:24 PM, Eva M I wrote:

Mike!

Than you got more names than I, I got just: sansevieria.
What about "compact future"? :-)

Eva

----------------------------------------------------------------------------
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
From: ***@comcast.net
Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 16:37:47 -0400
Subject: Re: [Sansevierias] Photo måndag ID PICS!




Eva,
This is a beautiful futura! I bought it named as 'Black Gold', but I do not trust that name. It's coloration is the same as S. t. compacta, but the growth pattern is that of Futura. It pups freely making a wonderful pot specimen.
M.
Dale La Forest
2009-05-26 15:41:37 UTC
Permalink
Mike, as you know, I'm no sans expert, but your plant looks a lot like a tri variegate called S. t. 'Becky' which is a sport of S t. 'Argentea' discovered by Bob Smoley and named after his daughter. It also looks similar to S t. "Gold Flame' (ISSJ3,p2).
Juan once suggested that trifasciata variegates with similar "layer" arrangements should have names that reflect that. Would you say yours is WGW?
Dale

----- Original Message -----
From: Michael LaForest
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 6:49 PM
Subject: Re: [Sansevierias] Photo måndag ID PICS!


Attached is a picture of the plant I bought as ᅵ'Black Gold'. I am NOT saying it is Black Gold'. In fact, I'm quite sure it is NOT BG.
For one thing, the plant in my picture is a Futura, and the Black Gold I am familiar with is a normal-sized trifasciata.


For my part, I think this Futura needs a name that has nothing to do with BG, or compacta, which would be much too confusing. Maybe something like, S. t. Futura 'Emerald fire'. I'm not good at names.
M.




On May 25, 2009, at 5:24 PM, Eva M I wrote:

Mike!
ᅵ
Than you got more names than I, I got just: sansevieria.
What about "compact future"? :-)
ᅵ
Eva

----------------------------------------------------------------------------
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
From: ***@comcast.net
Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 16:37:47 -0400
Subject: Re: [Sansevierias] Photo mï¿œndag ID PICS!



Eva,
This is a beautiful futura! I bought it named as 'Black Gold', but I do not trust that name. It's coloration is the same as S. t.ï¿œcompacta, but the growth pattern is that of Futura. It pups freely making a wonderful pot specimen.
M.
Eva M I
2009-05-26 16:12:31 UTC
Permalink
No Dale! It is not a Gold Flame. I have sevaral and they look like this: se att file!



Eva



To: ***@yahoogroups.com
From: ***@hotmail.com
Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 08:41:37 -0700
Subject: Re: [Sansevierias] Photo måndag ID PICS!








Mike, as you know, I'm no sans expert, but your plant looks a lot like a tri variegate called S. t. 'Becky' which is a sport of S t. 'Argentea' discovered by Bob Smoley and named after his daughter. It also looks similar to S t. "Gold Flame' (ISSJ3,p2).
Juan once suggested that trifasciata variegates with similar "layer" arrangements should have names that reflect that. Would you say yours is WGW?
Dale

----- Original Message -----

From: Michael LaForest
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 6:49 PM
Subject: Re: [Sansevierias] Photo måndag ID PICS!

Attached is a picture of the plant I bought as ᅵ'Black Gold'. I am NOT saying it is Black Gold'. In fact, I'm quite sure it is NOT BG.
For one thing, the plant in my picture is a Futura, and the Black Gold I am familiar with is a normal-sized trifasciata.


For my part, I think this Futura needs a name that has nothing to do with BG, or compacta, which would be much too confusing. Maybe something like, S. t. Futura 'Emerald fire'. I'm not good at names.
M.





On May 25, 2009, at 5:24 PM, Eva M I wrote:

Mike!
ᅵ
Than you got more names than I, I got just: sansevieria.
What about "compact future"? :-)
ᅵ
Eva


To: ***@yahoogroups.com
From: ***@comcast.net
Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 16:37:47 -0400
Subject: Re: [Sansevierias] Photo mï¿œndag ID PICS!






Eva,
This is a beautiful futura! I bought it named as 'Black Gold', but I do not trust that name. It's coloration is the same as S. t.ï¿œcompacta, but the growth pattern is that of Futura. It pups freely making a wonderful pot specimen.
M.








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hermine
2009-05-26 16:41:21 UTC
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At 08:41 AM 5/26/2009, you wrote:
>
>
>Mike, as you know, I'm no sans expert, but your
>plant looks a lot like a tri variegate called S.
>t. 'Becky' which is a sport of S t. 'Argentea'
>discovered by Bob Smoley and named after his
>daughter. It also looks similar to S t. "Gold Flame' (ISSJ3,p2).

it is very different from GOLD FLAME. it is sold
around here under no name in particular, and I
have never seen it listed as becky, but I do not
have Smoley's catalogs. or maybe just one.

hermine
Eva M I
2009-05-27 11:55:17 UTC
Permalink
I att both Mikes and mine futuras.



Hello! I think I have a suggestion, to my "not Black Gold". Futura Midnight Shine. See journal nr 4 page 2. Very dark leaves as Futura midnight, rarely any crossbanding and thin yellow edges.

it is named by Ziad Al-Witri.



Well, Midnight shine is better than oily Black Gold.


Eva




To: ***@yahoogroups.com
From: ***@comcast.net
Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 21:49:24 -0400
Subject: Re: [Sansevierias] Photo måndag ID PICS!

Attached is a picture of the plant I bought as 'Black Gold'. I am NOT saying it is Black Gold'. In fact, I'm quite sure it is NOT BG.
For one thing, the plant in my picture is a Futura, and the Black Gold I am familiar with is a normal-sized trifasciata.


For my part, I think this Futura needs a name that has nothing to do with BG, or compacta, which would be much too confusing. Maybe something like, S. t. Futura 'Emerald fire'. I'm not good at names.
M.





On May 25, 2009, at 5:24 PM, Eva M I wrote:

Mike!

Than you got more names than I, I got just: sansevieria.
What about "compact future"? :-)

Eva


To: ***@yahoogroups.com
From: ***@comcast.net
Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 16:37:47 -0400
Subject: Re: [Sansevierias] Photo måndag ID PICS!






Eva,
This is a beautiful futura! I bought it named as 'Black Gold', but I do not trust that name. It's coloration is the same as S. t. compacta, but the growth pattern is that of Futura. It pups freely making a wonderful pot specimen.
M.
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2009-05-27 15:30:05 UTC
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Eva,
'Fiutura Midnight Shine' (FMS) and 'not Black Gold' (I love that
name) are two different plants, although I agree they are very close
in appearance. Below I post a picture of FMS. The leaves of FMS are
yet a shade darker green and they have a wire thin, yellow marginal
stripe.
Mike

ᅩ


On May 27, 2009, at 7:55 AM, Eva M I wrote:

> I att both Mikes and mine futuras.
>
> Hello! I think I have a suggestion, to my "not Black Gold". Futura
> Midnight Shine. See journal nr 4 page 2. Very dark leaves as Futura
> midnight, rarely any crossbanding and thin yellow edges.
>
> it is named by Ziad Al-Witri.
>
> Well, Midnight shine is better than oily Black Gold.
>
>
> Eva
>
>
> To: ***@yahoogroups.com
> From: ***@comcast.net
> Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 21:49:24 -0400
> Subject: Re: [Sansevierias] Photo måndag ID PICS!
>
> Attached is a picture of the plant I bought as 'Black Gold'. I am
> NOT saying it is Black Gold'. In fact, I'm quite sure it is NOT BG.
> For one thing, the plant in my picture is a Futura, and the Black
> Gold I am familiar with is a normal-sized trifasciata.
>
> For my part, I think this Futura needs a name that has nothing to
> do with BG, or compacta, which would be much too confusing. Maybe
> something like, S. t. Futura 'Emerald fire'. I'm not good at names.
> M.
>
ᅩ
> On May 25, 2009, at 5:24 PM, Eva M I wrote:
>
> Mike!
>
> Than you got more names than I, I got just: sansevieria.
> What about "compact future"? :-)
>
> Eva
> To: ***@yahoogroups.com
> From: ***@comcast.net
> Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 16:37:47 -0400
> Subject: Re: [Sansevierias] Photo måndag ID PICS!
>
>
>
> Eva,
> This is a beautiful futura! I bought it named as 'Black Gold', but
> I do not trust that name. It's coloration is the same as S. t.
> compacta, but the growth pattern is that of Futura. It pups freely
> making a wonderful pot specimen.
> M.
>
> Dela foton på ett smidigt sÀtt med Windows LiveT Photos. Dra och
> slÀpp
Eva M I
2009-05-27 16:40:28 UTC
Permalink
I almost got PMS of the name confusion.



I was so sure my plant had a name, and that the answer was "out there" in the sansevieria list. I really thaught there was an easy answer. :-(



'Not Black Gold' NBG or 'Not Futura Midnight Shine' NFMS.



But the real FMS was a beauty!



Eva







To: ***@yahoogroups.com
From: ***@comcast.net
Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 11:30:05 -0400
Subject: [Sansevierias] Re: Photo måndag ID PICS! Futura midnight shine

Eva,
'Fiutura Midnight Shine' (FMS) and 'not Black Gold' (I love that name) are two different plants, although I agree they are very close in appearance. Below I post a picture of FMS. The leaves of FMS are yet a shade darker green and they have a wire thin, yellow marginal stripe.
Mike








On May 27, 2009, at 7:55 AM, Eva M I wrote:
I att both Mikes and mine futuras.

Hello! I think I have a suggestion, to my "not Black Gold". Futura Midnight Shine. See journal nr 4 page 2. Very dark leaves as Futura midnight, rarely any crossbanding and thin yellow edges.

it is named by Ziad Al-Witri.

Well, Midnight shine is better than oily Black Gold.


Eva




To: ***@yahoogroups.com
From: ***@comcast.net
Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 21:49:24 -0400
Subject: Re: [Sansevierias] Photo måndag ID PICS!

Attached is a picture of the plant I bought as 'Black Gold'. I am NOT saying it is Black Gold'. In fact, I'm quite sure it is NOT BG.
For one thing, the plant in my picture is a Futura, and the Black Gold I am familiar with is a normal-sized trifasciata.


For my part, I think this Futura needs a name that has nothing to do with BG, or compacta, which would be much too confusing. Maybe something like, S. t. Futura 'Emerald fire'. I'm not good at names.
M.





On May 25, 2009, at 5:24 PM, Eva M I wrote:

Mike!

Than you got more names than I, I got just: sansevieria.
What about "compact future"? :-)

Eva


To: ***@yahoogroups.com
From: ***@comcast.net
Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 16:37:47 -0400
Subject: Re: [Sansevierias] Photo måndag ID PICS!






Eva,
This is a beautiful futura! I bought it named as 'Black Gold', but I do not trust that name. It's coloration is the same as S. t. compacta, but the growth pattern is that of Futura. It pups freely making a wonderful pot specimen.
M.


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hermine
2009-05-28 03:08:11 UTC
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I bought a bunch of pots full of this at a roadside nursery for three
bux each and have TONS of it like groundcover. it had no name. how
tall are these? mine are about eight inches. I think they could be
some taller if they were not so pot bound. i subsequently put them in
flat wide pan shaped pots to allow for spreading.



>[]


herm
Norma - Crasulady2
2009-05-28 04:59:34 UTC
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Those are really nice plants. Norma
----- Original Message -----
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To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 8:08 PM
Subject: RE: [Sansevierias] R e: Photo måndag ID P ICS! Futura midnight shine





I bought a bunch of pots full of this at a roadside nursery for three bux each and have TONS of it like groundcover. it had no name. how tall are these? mine are about eight inches. I think they could be some taller if they were not so pot bound. i subsequently put them in flat wide pan shaped pots to allow for spreading.








herm
hermine
2009-05-28 05:28:19 UTC
Permalink
At 09:59 PM 5/27/2009, you wrote:


>Those are really nice plants. Norma

and they grow LIKE WEEDS! really robust and thrifty doers!

herm
Dale La Forest
2009-05-28 15:43:34 UTC
Permalink
Very nice, Hermine. Eight inches seems a little on the short side even for a futura type. I think the clone that Mike sent me over a year ago was about 12". In another post I asked Mike (and everyone of course), "What defines a futura type?". Is it all about the reduced leaf length and increased width and or must the plant also have a funnel shaped rosette? Do you have an opinion on this?
Dale

----- Original Message -----
From: hermine
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 8:08 PM
Subject: RE: [Sansevierias] R e: Photo måndag ID P ICS! Futura midnight shine





I bought a bunch of pots full of this at a roadside nursery for three bux each and have TONS of it like groundcover. it had no name. how tall are these? mine are about eight inches. I think they could be some taller if they were not so pot bound. i subsequently put them in flat wide pan shaped pots to allow for spreading.








herm
Michael LaForest
2009-05-28 15:45:23 UTC
Permalink
The plants in this picture are 10 - 13 inches tall.
Mike

On May 27, 2009, at 11:08 PM, hermine wrote:

>
>
> I bought a bunch of pots full of this at a roadside nursery for
> three bux each and have TONS of it like groundcover. it had no
> name. how tall are these? mine are about eight inches. I think they
> could be some taller if they were not so pot bound. i subsequently
> put them in flat wide pan shaped pots to allow for spreading.
>
>
>
ᅩ
>
> herm
>
>
>
Scott in Long Beach
2009-05-27 20:51:47 UTC
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That's such a beauty, Mike!
--Scott
Long Beach, California, USA (in Los Angeles County)




On May 27, 2009, at 8:30 AM, Michael LaForest wrote:

> Eva,
> 'Fiutura Midnight Shine' (FMS) and 'not Black Gold' (I love that
> name) are two different plants, although I agree they are very close
> in appearance. Below I post a picture of FMS. The leaves of FMS are
> yet a shade darker green and they have a wire thin, yellow marginal
> stripe.
> Mike
>
> <S. F. 'Midnight Shine'.jpeg>
>
>
> On May 27, 2009, at 7:55 AM, Eva M I wrote:
>
>> I att both Mikes and mine futuras.
>>
>> Hello! I think I have a suggestion, to my "not Black Gold". Futura
>> Midnight Shine. See journal nr 4 page 2. Very dark leaves as Futura
>> midnight, rarely any crossbanding and thin yellow edges.
>>
>> it is named by Ziad Al-Witri.
>>
>> Well, Midnight shine is better than oily Black Gold.
>>
>>
>> Eva
>>
>>
>> To: ***@yahoogroups.com
>> From: ***@comcast.net
>> Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 21:49:24 -0400
>> Subject: Re: [Sansevierias] Photo måndag ID PICS!
>>
>> Attached is a picture of the plant I bought as 'Black Gold'. I am
>> NOT saying it is Black Gold'. In fact, I'm quite sure it is NOT BG.
>> For one thing, the plant in my picture is a Futura, and the Black
>> Gold I am familiar with is a normal-sized trifasciata.
>>
>> For my part, I think this Futura needs a name that has nothing to
>> do with BG, or compacta, which would be much too confusing. Maybe
>> something like, S. t. Futura 'Emerald fire'. I'm not good at names.
>> M.
>>
>> <138EC550-C6D6-4934-B249-F26A8FF79F3A.jpeg>
>> On May 25, 2009, at 5:24 PM, Eva M I wrote:
>>
>> Mike!
>>
>> Than you got more names than I, I got just: sansevieria.
>> What about "compact future"? :-)
>>
>> Eva
>> To: ***@yahoogroups.com
>> From: ***@comcast.net
>> Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 16:37:47 -0400
>> Subject: Re: [Sansevierias] Photo måndag ID PICS!
>>
>>
>>
>> Eva,
>> This is a beautiful futura! I bought it named as 'Black Gold', but
>> I do not trust that name. It's coloration is the same as S. t.
>> compacta, but the growth pattern is that of Futura. It pups freely
>> making a wonderful pot specimen.
>> M.
>>
>> Dela foton på ett smidigt sätt med Windows LiveT Photos. Dra och
>> släpp
>
hermine
2009-05-28 02:55:53 UTC
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At 08:30 AM 5/27/2009, you wrote:
>Eva,
>'Fiutura Midnight Shine' (FMS) and 'not Black Gold' (I love that
>name) are two different plants, although I agree they are very close
>in appearance. Below I post a picture of FMS. The leaves of FMS are
>yet a shade darker green and they have a wire thin, yellow marginal stripe.
>Mike


how tall is this? i have TONS of this crammed into pots, it is bigger
than hahnii gets, but it is not that tall.

hermine
yayan pribadi
2009-05-28 16:16:12 UTC
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dear hermine
 
You or Norma should put new name in printed matter, not in website or electronic media.
it's the rule.
please do not waste your 60 years on sansevieria.
 
yayan bandung indonesia

--- Pada Kam, 28/5/09, hermine <***@endangeredspecies.com> menulis:


Dari: hermine <***@endangeredspecies.com>
Topik: Re: [Sansevierias] Registering your sansevieria
Kepada: ***@yahoogroups.com, ***@yahoogroups.com
Tanggal: Kamis, 28 Mei, 2009, 11:47 AM








At 08:26 AM 5/28/2009, Michael LaForest wrote:



Norma,
I think you proved my point. What good does "registering" do but give you a warm feeling?

I think the best way to make a name stick is to follow the ICBN rules of naming a plant, describe it in your catalog if you have one, but more importantly, put it on your internet website, for sale,

Oh, some experts claim that unless it is printed on paper in ink it does not count as published, however, i think that is a luddite view. especially if the person accessing this information can print it out him or herself.


 with good pictures, and start selling it on eBay. Inform the C&S clubs around the country with your new creation; visit them, or send their newsletter editor an article with picture. You have to promote your new variety and that takes time and  propagation. I admit, however, you could still be trumped by the father of sansevierias.
WHO IS THIS? DONALD SANSEVIERIA TRUMP?

without some big commercial interest there really is no registry body as there is with ROSES. no matter how important the scientific community takes itself. language prevails over science usually and I am not saying that is a good thing, i am saying that is how it is.





I think the battle with the 'Tenzan' / 'Siam Silver' name is better now than it was 3-4 years ago. At least many more people than before see the two names as synonymous.

Synonymous my big black ass. mine came first, was published and distributed and the other name is another name for the same previously published plant.  BITE ME. Screw this synonymous. sideways.

hermine
















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hermine
2009-05-28 17:41:50 UTC
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At 09:16 AM 5/28/2009, you wrote:


>dear hermine
>
>You or Norma should put new name in printed matter, not in website
>or electronic media.
>it's the rule.
>please do not waste your 60 years on sansevieria.

I already have published in writing every new sansevieria to which i
had the right to put a new name. In a catalog, with either drawing,
photo and a detailed written description, and all of these catalogs
were printed and went out in numbers over three hundred. You may have
seen on some websites the incomplete catalogs, with pencil notes in
the margins, but I assure you they got finished and were mailed to my
client base at the time.

HOWEVER, please consider that one may pay for and download EBooks,
one may not freely bypass copyrite by downloading ebooks. the ebook
has the same legal standing as a printed book on paper, so why would
not a printed taxonomical description?

hermine
Norma - Crasulady2
2009-05-29 01:02:19 UTC
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Yes we both know that, I have nothing to register.
----- Original Message -----
From: hermine
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 10:41 AM
Subject: Re: [Sansevierias] Registering your sansevieria





At 09:16 AM 5/28/2009, you wrote:




dear hermine

You or Norma should put new name in printed matter, not in website or electronic media.
it's the rule.
please do not waste your 60 years on sansevieria.

I already have published in writing every new sansevieria to which i had the right to put a new name. In a catalog, with either drawing, photo and a detailed written description, and all of these catalogs were printed and went out in numbers over three hundred. You may have seen on some websites the incomplete catalogs, with pencil notes in the margins, but I assure you they got finished and were mailed to my client base at the time.

HOWEVER, please consider that one may pay for and download EBooks, one may not freely bypass copyrite by downloading ebooks. the ebook has the same legal standing as a printed book on paper, so why would not a printed taxonomical description?

hermine
Norma - Crasulady2
2009-05-29 00:54:06 UTC
Permalink
Today I talked to John Trager the Botanist of the Desert Collection regarding if Sansevieria are monocarpic, he said absoultly. Take out the rosette that just flowered, take off outer old leaves, remove most of the roots, and restart. It will become a teenager again, and will produce offsets for you. Dale you may call or email him is you wish. I also checked on the name S. bacularis, no such thing, someone made up the name it not an acceptable name, has never been published. Yes they will flower on the new offsets, which in turn will not flower again.

To day I got permission to go into the archives to get information that we wouldn't otherwise. The Huntington doesn't have everything that has been printed but it will be more than I have now.

Now if you wish I will get it in writing, and also ask Myron Kimnach. He is a botanist as well, and Jim Folsom has his PhD and is a professor. Norma


----- Original Message -----
From: yayan pribadi
To: ***@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 9:16 AM
Subject: Re: [Sansevierias] Registering your sansevieria





dear hermine

You or Norma should put new name in printed matter, not in website or electronic media.
it's the rule.
please do not waste your 60 years on sansevieria.

yayan bandung indonesia

--- Pada Kam, 28/5/09, hermine <***@endangeredspecies.com> menulis:


Dari: hermine <***@endangeredspecies.com>
Topik: Re: [Sansevierias] Registering your sansevieria
Kepada: ***@yahoogroups.com, ***@yahoogroups.com
Tanggal: Kamis, 28 Mei, 2009, 11:47 AM


At 08:26 AM 5/28/2009, Michael LaForest wrote:



Norma,
I think you proved my point. What good does "registering" do but give you a warm feeling?

I think the best way to make a name stick is to follow the ICBN rules of naming a plant, describe it in your catalog if you have one, but more importantly, put it on your internet website, for sale,


Oh, some experts claim that unless it is printed on paper in ink it does not count as published, however, i think that is a luddite view. especially if the person accessing this information can print it out him or herself.


with good pictures, and start selling it on eBay. Inform the C&S clubs around the country with your new creation; visit them, or send their newsletter editor an article with picture. You have to promote your new variety and that takes time and propagation. I admit, however, you could still be trumped by the father of sansevierias.

WHO IS THIS? DONALD SANSEVIERIA TRUMP?

without some big commercial interest there really is no registry body as there is with ROSES. no matter how important the scientific community takes itself. language prevails over science usually and I am not saying that is a good thing, i am saying that is how it is.





I think the battle with the 'Tenzan' / 'Siam Silver' name is better now than it was 3-4 years ago. At least many more people than before see the two names as synonymous.


Synonymous my big black ass. mine came first, was published and distributed and the other name is another name for the same previously published plant. BITE ME. Screw this synonymous. sideways.

hermine
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